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April 29 buzz: The cost of illegal aliens, firefighters and schools

Most viewed and commented: Unlicensed drivers: Impounding is not the answer

Want safer roads? Here's what the editorial board proposes:

Unlicensed drivers, including illegal immigrants, shouldn't be on the road. But impounding their cars is not the answer. A far better solution would be to enact legislation to allow all immigrants -- without regard to their status -- to apply for driver's licenses. This would ensure that illegal immigrants learn the rules, pass a driving test and obtain insurance. That, ultimately, would help protect everyone on the roads.

Reader Tim Bowman is not so sure:

Rewarding law breaking only breeds more law breaking.  Illegal aliens (the proper term) are free to return to their home countries to apply for driver's licenses -- we're not stopping them.  If you allow them to do so, you are telling that they are free to receive other services after having violated our immigration laws, and you are telling those that take the time, effort, and expense to comply that they are foolish for having done so.

Djuna Barnes also disagrees with the editorial:

"Impounding is not the answer"

illegal immigration enforcement is

As does nohovet:

Bank robberies are a problem because they interrupt daily business activities of the bank, jeopardize customers and cause long lines waiting for the hostage drama to play out.  Surely, none of us wants to see this happen.  So let's all adopt a "common sense" solution like the L.A. Times recommends for unlicensed drivers.  No, the solution is not to enforce the law and arrest and imprison bank robbers.  You might think it would be, but that's just because you don't have common sense like the Times editorialists. The "common sense" solution is, first, to call bank robbers something else that sounds a lot better like, say, "Unauthorized withdrawers of funds who use a firearm and scrawled note to expedite their transaction."  Then, following the Times model, simply open the doors to the vault and authorize anyone and everyone who so desires to stroll in, scoop up all the money they want and briskly walk out the door unhindered by any law enforcement whatsoever. Voila! The unpleasantness formerly known as "bank robbery" is now solved, L.A. Times-style, just like the problem of unlicensed drivers.  Now, on to arson, rape, embezzlement, drug-smuggling ....

To nohovet's point: Actually, what the editorial board members are saying is that we need to prioritize public safety concerns so that our roads are safe for drivers and pedestrians. That includes encouraging proper training for all drivers; it also means using sobriety checkpoints for getting drunk drivers off the road, not collecting illegal immigrants.

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"If we won't pay for schools, and we won't pay for firefighters, what will we pay for?" asks Paul Whitefield. This is in response to a recent influx of comments from readers who feel taxed-out (or greedy) and do not wish to pay for public services.

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Mitchell Young

I wonder when you guys are going to connect the dots, there really aren't that many.

Dot one, the unchecked migration of a low education, at best moderately skilled population.

Dot two, growing expenditures on public services, esp. schools and prisons.

Dot three, a native-born, esp. few generations native-born, population that sees little point in 'investing' in public services it doesn't use and from which it will not likely benefit much in the future.

Dot four, the 'fiscal' crisis in California despite repeated tax hikes (esp. sales) over the last two decades.

Mitchell Young

I wonder when you guys are going to connect the dots, there really aren't that many.

Dot one, the unchecked migration of a low education, at best moderately skilled population.

Dot two, growing expenditures on public services, esp. schools and prisons.

Dot three, a native-born, esp. few generations native-born, population that sees little point in 'investing' in public services it doesn't use and from which it will not likely benefit much in the future.

Dot four, the 'fiscal' crisis in California despite repeated tax hikes (esp. sales) over the last two decades.

Stephen

I never see a story in the Times that says ENFORCE OUR IMMIGRATION LAWS! This is the first step to solving the many problems related to illegal immigration. The buzz phrase "comprehensive immigration reform" really means amnesty for those here illegally now, and millions of new illegal aliens later. Amnesty encourages more illegal immigration. Americans will NEVER accept another amnesty! No law will work if it is not enforced. We have the ability to end illegal immigration forever by making E-Verify mandatory, taking away all benefits for anyone illegally in the country, and enforcing our immigration laws with ZERO tolerance. We don't owe illegal aliens anything. The free ride is over, we're broke! ILLEGAL ALIENS GO HOME!

annie 13

Gee Obama goes to Miami which has the largest number of Hispanic graduates of any school and promises to help them. Hispanics as a group have the lowest graduation rate in the country so Supelveda who was a campaign manager in Texas becomes the Chief of growing Hispanic education rates since we can't afford them if they stay dumb. And the Hispanics students shut down the Tuscon Board of Education Meeting since Mexican/American History has become an elective which may be cut. Meanwhile the parents cheer on their rude, disrectful kids. Isn't multi more than 2? Since as far as I know we don't have these partonage chiefs for any other group would this be racist? Can't the kids look up the history of a foreign country on the internet or go to the library. I want a multi culture class to study the US and Lichtenstein think I'll get it? So much election pandering. The country is sinking and this clown is going around the country begging for money. Did anyone tell dumbo it's a 4 year term to support America???????

steve

When did we lose our common sense? Our Government, has allowed the invasion of 30 million criminals in direct violation of Article IV, Section IV of our Constitution. they force American tax payers to pay Billions to provide Welfare, Prison cells, Educate the invaders children, free medical care,massive document fraud, & are destroying our schools, hospitals, communities, culture while Robbing, Raping, Killing & Assaulting American Citizens WAKE UP PEOPLE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9IGKRzdzZ8&feature=player_embedded
.youtube.com/watch?v=tsH8xvjTAlo
.youtube.com/watch?v=Btj6IeOFkis&feature=player_embedded
http://immigrationcounters.com/
.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp
.immigrationshumancost.org/
.newswithviews.com/Wooldridge/frosty580.htm
.youtube.com/watch?v=muw22wTePqQ
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/
http://www.rense.com/general81/dtli.htm
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=41045
http://www.cairco.org/econ/econ.html
http://www.diggersrealm.com/mt/archives/003335.html
Every Non-representative including obama and holder should be IMPEACHED! for not upholding the oath of office they swore to defend the Constitution! If these clowns were to do their job, this would all be a Moot point!
Anchors and their criminal parents go, period, and cut the phony tears, you knew you were breaking the law when you crossed the border.

Next shut down any business hiring illegal labor. Oh and owners go to jail.
Got a better idea? Lets hear it!

charlie

as a libertarian...the illegal aliens should be deported immediately....our citizens should come first....

charlie

our resources are being overused for illegals who are criminals...when did being a criminal become sanctioned by the L.A. times? I don't get it....I don't think I ever will...a criminal is a criminal...regardless of where they come from....they infest our system....overuse our resources and give very back to
the economy...

 Margo Goldstein

"This would ensure that illegal immigrants learn the rules, pass a driving test and obtain insurance."

The editorial board members are seriously delusional: how exactly does that ensure anything? If they didn't comply with the laws that were enacted to ensure that immigrants pass through the proper protocol to enter the country, why in God's name would you imagine they'd take the time and trouble to "learn the rules, pass a driving test, and obtain insurance?" (which is expensive).

You cannot be pro workers, unions, a funded social safety net, and pro illegal aliens.

inugomontoya

Wow! I guess Mitch, Stephen, annie 13, etc. should have had parents who taught them (1) common sense, (2) how to be an American who respects work ethic, and (3) get the facts.
1. They're here. They drive. Teach and license them, f'chrissake. End of story.
2. They do jobs that most of the numb n**s (maybe not you, annie, but only for gender reasons) writing here are too lazy to do. Given that we don't exactly coddle illegals, they work. The actual rate of unemployment within families is low. And they work hard, well, and cheap, which I don't think you can say about the wimps here.
3. The facts from Cato are that illegals are at worst a wash and at best a plus on social cost. They typically have tighter families with less divorce and definitely a lower crime rate. believe it or not, they use less medical services. They contribute a higher share of income on sales tax than the wimps writing in here, and often pay in FICA that they will never see, to support yo Momma.

So give it a rest and go get a job yourselves. Maybe it will make you busy enough not to dump on people with better character and American values than yourself.

86emmm

CALL -OUR- Congress @ 866 220 0044
DEMAND -OUR- IMMIGRATION LAWS BE ENFORCED !
E-verify -ALL- JOBS & GOV`t. PROGRAMS->section-8 , welfare , foodstamps , wic. etc. !
287g->NATIONWIDE TO FIND & DEPORT -ALL- illegal aliens !
ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT !
-ALL- illegal aliens from -ALL- COUNTRIES ARE CRIMINALS !
Visit- AmericanPatrol.c - OutRagedPatriots.com !
"FREE FAXES" to -OUR- Congress @ NumbersUSA.c 0r CapsWeb.o !
google-> Work in the states build a life in Mexico -> To see that BETTER LIFE !
thanks
GOD BLESS THE U.S.!!!


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