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In immigration reform, arguing against workplace raids

Raids In Monday's Opinion pages, the editorial board weighs in on immigration reform, specifically addressing the desire among congressional Republicans to resume workplace raids as way to find, detain and deport illegal immigrants. There's no need, writes the board: 

The administration has been effectively enforcing immigration laws without recourse to such raids, which have disrupted families and resulted in the detention of immigrants for minor offenses such as carrying a forged driver's license or using a fraudulent Social Security number. Instead, Immigration and Customs Enforcement has concentrated its resources on apprehending immigrants accused of serious crimes and fining employers that encourage illegal immigration by continuing to hire undocumented workers.

As Times staff writer Brian Bennett reported, the Obama administration has quadrupled the number of employer audits and fined businesses $6.9 million in fiscal 2010, compared with $675,000 in 2008. Deportations are also up, from 369,221 in 2008 to 392,862 in fiscal 2010. More than 195,000 criminals were deported in 2010, a 70% increase over 2008. These numbers suggest that the administration is not under-enforcing immigration laws, as Republicans claim, but has set reasonable priorities and is pursuing them.

For readers who take to our discussion boards, however, the issue of illegal immigration is often a black-and-white one, leaving no room for compromise. People living in our country illegally, they say, are taking advantage of our schools and welfare programs, stealing our jobs and instigating crime. We should kick them out and make it impossible for them to come back.

What we rarely hear is the perspective from the other side -- the very real reasons why people immigrate to our country, despite knowing that they'll work for low wages and be subject to racism; how humiliating it feels when you’re put out on display during a workplace raid; and how terrifying it is to then be separated from your children until further notice.

In February 2009, Dick Gordon interviewed a woman, who wished to remain anonymous, for "The Story," about her experience during the raid at the Howard Industries Manufacturing plant in Mississippi, in which 600 workers were arrested. She concludes with this message:

What I would like to say to the American people, or the listeners, is that we don't come here to steal; we didn't come here to steal anybody’s job; or steal anything from anybody. We came here to work and we work hard for what we work. I could see if we were out there on the streets stealing somebody's money that they would say that we came to steal. But we didn’t come to take anything away. We came to support our children and support our parents. Have they not ever had to work to support their children and support their parents, wouldn’t they do it too?

Despite those readers who are unbending on illegal immigration, there really is no easy solution. The board would argue, however, for comprehensive illegal immigration reform to include "a combination of legalization for immigrants already in the country and new measures to prevent illegal immigration in the future."

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Photo: In this 2004 photo, Cecilia Rodriguez addresses the media at a Coalition Latino Movement USA protest outside downtown Los Angeles' Federal Building, seeking a halt to what the group calls mass immigration raids. Credit: Ricardo DeAratanha / Los Angeles Times

 

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Maya Y

Why in the world would anyone defend people breaking our law to come here illegally? It's astounding how many are OK with this.. And they think anyone who dares expect the laws to be followed is somehow un Christian, un American, un kind. It's amazing! You have it totally backwards...We have immigration laws for a reason.. A good reason..Asking them to be adhered to is NOT asking for too much. When we do not have rule of law, we have the total chaos of today.

misanthropicus

[...] What we rarely hear is the perspective from the other side -- the very real reasons why people immigrate to our country, despite knowing that they'll work for low wages and be subject to racism; how humiliating it feels when you’re put out on display during a workplace raid; and how terrifying it is to then be separated from your children until further notice. [...]

LA Times is indeed a bottomless fountain of garbage - what is this idiotic description of illegal immigrants? We are talking about people who break the law, and this in an very severe manner, and that's it - and, fortunately, the pathetic tone of this piece shows that even LA Times has began, to their dismay, to realize that the larger legal machinery is about to start grinding as it is supposed to -

1) "reasons for immigrating" - we are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION here - and no criminal court in the world can accept as exculpating reason for a crime such an explanation -

2) "subject of low wages and racism" - wages can be low or high - there is no right for illegal immigrants to take anything else than the market offers, labour price-wise -

3) "racism" - is an illegal from Swiss or Finland subject of "racism"?

4) "how humiliating it feels when you’re put out on display during a workplace raid" - arrests are no self-esteem empowering procedures - simply don't do that, and don't be there - tout a fait -

5) "terrifying it is to then be separated from your children" - simply don't bring yourself and your children in this situation - dope dealers are separated from their children, too -

Fortunately, the pathetic tone of this piece shows that even LA Times has began, to their dismay, to realize that the larger legal machinery is about to start grinding as it is supposed to -


youareuniquelikeeveryonelse

"What I would like to say to the American people, or the listeners, is that we don't come here to steal; we didn't come here to steal anybody’s job; or steal anything from anybody. We came here to work and we work hard for what we work. I could see if we were out there on the streets stealing somebody's money that they would say that we came to steal. But we didn’t come to take anything away. We came to support our children and support our parents. Have they not ever had to work to support their children and support their parents, wouldn’t they do it too?"

So what, we all struggle. Get in line and immigrate the legal way, lady.

Deke

So lets see, first illegals enter this country without authorization, then break other laws "for minor offenses such as carrying a forged driver's license or using a fraudulent Social Security number". Theres 3 crimes right there - Illegal entry, identification fraud and soc sec fraud. Hmm, thats all? What about working when not authorized or getting public benefits when they are not entitled? So just how many laws are the illegals allowed to break before something is done? Do legal citizens get to break multiple laws with no punishment or consequences. NOT. What a bunch of garbage. NO ONE should be immune from being prosecuted for breaking laws, especially illegals.

I think I will go rob a bank because that will give me "a better life". Nobody better come after me and arrest me either because that would be racist and inhumane.

We need to enforce ALL laws that all people commit. Illegal is illegal and crimes are crimes. They should all be prosecuted.

wigglwagon

"The administration has been effectively enforcing immigration laws without recourse to such raids, which have disrupted families and resulted in the detention of immigrants for minor offenses such as carrying a forged driver's license or using a fraudulent Social Security number."

A forged driver's license and fraudulent Social Security number is not a minor offense. That is every bit as serious offense as armed robbery. These are the tools that an illegal alien uses to force a citizen or legal immigrant family into unemployment and poverty. Why are you so concerned about disrupting illegal alien families but are willing to toss legal families into the garbage? Why? Those legal families have not broken the law. They have not done anything to hurt others as the illegals have!!!

"Despite those readers who are unbending on illegal immigration, there really is no easy solution. The board would argue, however, for comprehensive illegal immigration reform to include "a combination of legalization for immigrants already in the country and new measures to prevent illegal immigration in the future."

You know, a lot of us that you consider unbending would probably surprise you if you could explain to us how the plan that you call "legalization for immigrants already in the country" will put the legal families back to work. Best I can figure, we are about 30 million jobs short right now. Why should illegals be allowed to keep the jobs. Don't start with more of the fabrications about 'jobs Americans won't do'. We all know most employers are not dumB enough to hire someone who might file a complaint with the Department of Labor when they can fill that slot with an illegal alien.

RAY LEYVA

I and my wife married in 1980 became legal permanent residents on 1986 because her parents are naturalized USA citicens. We had 5 US born children. We worked hard to support them and gave them an education. In 1991 we separated and I fell in hard times living on the streets, started hanging with the wrong people and using drugs. I run into trouble with the law a few times and was found in possesion of controled substances a few times, went to county jail for simple possesion. On 1996 INS opened a deportation case against me for being a drug user, fought the case and lost. Now Im living in Mexico, I m recovered, being clean for 4 years my wife and kids come often and see me they want me to return, my wife and kids need me there they have never lived here in Mexico, but Im afraid to go back. The INS judge told me that if I go back I ll be facing federal time.Im waiting for the law to change so I can reunite with my family, I dont want to be illegaly in the states because I want to work, be with my wife and kids help them economically. Next month one of my kids will be joining the Armed Services. Please I need help or advice Idont know what to do .

landaddy001

It seems to me that being in this country without legal authorization is grounds for removal, in and of itself, so what difference does it make how illegal immigrants are caught by the authorities? Besides how can anyone be reasonable expected to believe one word from the federal government on this subject when they have failed to (to the tune of 11 million or more) keep their promises to the American people to date?

Nathan

And I hope they start up the raids. If the illegals, their families and their supporters do not like it, then suggest the illegals come here the legal way.

Simple as that.

Rambler

I am in favor of any tactics that return illegal immigrants to their home countries
Reform is just another name for amnesty. Personally, I approve of copying Mexico's policy regarding illegal immigrants.

Lois Robertson

I am all for the legalization of those illegal persons who came to the US for a better way of life. I think that we should forgive those already here and begin anew to allow people to immigrate here legally.

I regard those who demonize illegal immigrants as nothing more or less than racists who have forgotten if they ever knew the inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty. Our country is different because we ARE a nation of immigrants and always will be.

Let those who think they are so much better than the rest of us find somewhere else to live.

leslie Stein

I frankly don't care what her reasons are. I feel the IRS should mandate ALL employers to verify the correct SSN and withholding information for all employees. If there are discrepancies employees should have 60 days to resolve. If they cannot, they should be turned over to the INS so their status can be determined & if found to be illegal aliens, deported immediately.

Yes it will cause family disruption but that is the fault of the illlegal alien who took a chance and put their families at risk. The US cannot be responsible for all the havoc they cause on their own famiilies. Life is not fair or easy. Just ask the millions of unemployed citizens.

b

The whole immigration problem would be solved if they started with Illinois Congressman's Guiterezz as a starting point.
The Times would do a great public service by doing an investigative analysis on the effects,and implementation of these proposals.

Any modifications would have to include the following:
1) As physical wall/border to gain Republican support.
2) A national biometric identification card to prevent I.D. theft and fraud.
3) Mandatory I-9 compliance for employment,and social services.Heavy fines,including dissolving businesses for those who don't comply.

Americans have no problem with immigration,as long as it is done legally.
It is not a racial issue. Many people immigrate here legally each year.

It is an issue of sovereignty,which many generations have fought and died for.
It is an issue of the rule of law,which allows for an orderly transition and violence free elections.

Sovereign,rule of law and fairness are a few of the ideals which distinguish this great nation,and keeps it strong.
Just ask a LEGAL immigrant.

If we devalue our ideals,we do at great peril.

b

The whole immigration problem would be solved if they started with Illinois Congressman's Guiterezz as a starting point.
The Times would do a great public service by doing an investigative analysis on the effects,and implementation of these proposals.

Any modifications would have to include the following:
1) As physical wall/border to gain Republican support.
2) A national biometric identification card to prevent I.D. theft and fraud.
3) Mandatory I-9 compliance for employment,and social services.Heavy fines,including dissolving businesses for those who don't comply.

Americans have no problem with immigration,as long as it is done legally.
It is not a racial issue. Many people immigrate here legally each year.

It is an issue of sovereignty,which many generations have fought and died for.
It is an issue of the rule of law,which allows for an orderly transition and violence free elections.

Sovereign,rule of law and fairness are a few of the ideals which distinguish this great nation,and keeps it strong.
Just ask a LEGAL immigrant.

If we devalue our ideals,we do at great peril.

b

The whole immigration problem would be solved if they started with Illinois Congressman's Guiterezz as a starting point.
The Times would do a great public service by doing an investigative analysis on the effects,and implementation of these proposals.

Any modifications would have to include the following:
1) As physical wall/border to gain Republican support.
2) A national biometric identification card to prevent I.D. theft and fraud.
3) Mandatory I-9 compliance for employment,and social services.Heavy fines,including dissolving businesses for those who don't comply.

Americans have no problem with immigration,as long as it is done legally.
It is not a racial issue. Many people immigrate here legally each year.

It is an issue of sovereignty,which many generations have fought and died for.
It is an issue of the rule of law,which allows for an orderly transition and violence free elections.

Sovereign,rule of law and fairness are a few of the ideals which distinguish this great nation,and keeps it strong.
Just ask a LEGAL immigrant.

If we devalue our ideals,we do at great peril.

j

They should make a rule that any illegal aliens coming over need to have tubes tied or vasectomy. That will solve the anchor baby problem!

Greg

Tell me all about the thousands of MS-13 gang members who came here to "work hard" and "not to steal". What a bunch of bologna. I have to ask my daughter to play inside or I have to stay right with her. Great way to live life.

Dora D

They are working in this country illegally and should be deported!

No if, and or buts.

jay garcia

Kinda funny how all lots people seem to care about kicking my people out this country when we are only here doing work others dont want to do. But thats why we always see WHITE AMERICANS standing on the side of the roads asking for change and other side we see a LATINO selling Roses. I throw them some pennies every once in a while only during the holiday seasons. But on the other hand Work Visas are always being granted to Terroist Muslims and thats why 911 occurred. Since when do we hear about Immigrant Latinos strapping bombs to themselves and creating terror.

dan smith

face it you are not illegal as that can only be done if you commited a criminal act - coming into the US without authorization is a civil matter not a criminal one - So all those ignorant commentators - look at the law before you start putting your point in.

Immigrants contribute much more to society then they take - look at any first generation stats. This is what built America. Most of those who complain on here don't realise (or don't want to listen) that it would cost us trillions of wasted funds to send everyone back.

Also do you ever think what happens to jobs in the US when we do not have a low wage tier - they go abroad! This means bigger prices for us and weakened economy. When they last did the drive for agricultural jobs in the whole of the US ( Colbelt and the AG ), only 2 Americans actually turned up for a job - that is a drive across the whole US... Walmart - China ring a bell.

When these immigrants do the lower level work, it allows people like me the ability to keep my middle class job and get more for less. What is wrong with that. I just explained the global market above for all those losers who seem to think that Americans will pay more for less.

So think straight and remove your racial bias if you want to debate this thoughtfully. One person said illegal immigrant from Europe - you know it is funny how most people who get pulled over are dark skinned, so chances of your European getting the same treatment is scarce. Just ask African Americans or regular youth who get pulled over or stopped just because they fit a profile based on prejudice.

We need to get this overhauled at the federal level and include some system for those immigrants with families to stay without green cards or voting rights till the people at the front of the line are met. For those who really want to just work the fields and go back home, we need to set the quota better. That is what is good for America and more methodical.

The ridiculous rate hikes of applying seems obvious to me why most cannot afford it. Most of our forefathers came on a ship and as long as we had 50 cents in our pocket were waved on. I am sure if they had the same option, they would be entering just like our forefathers did - so before you judge think.

khatty kathy

Lois thinks that we should have open borders and take in everyone who wants to come here. We have 30 million illegals now taking our tax dollars, services and yes our jobs. Mexico is a corrupt country. No laws are enforced. Their police and officials who respect the laws are murdered. Is that the country you want for your children and grandchildren?
No one who sneaks into our country, has forged documents, and another's ss # is not what we want as future citizens. Immigrants who came a century ago came with the clothes on their backs, took nothing, asked only to become a AMERICAN. They didn't get food stamps, free lunches, education in their native tongue, subsidized housing, free medical. They only asked for a chance to become a citizen. And, they also waved the American flag.
Obey our laws, play by the rules it's the American way, wait your turn and respect our people and our country if you want it to be yours.

abused citizen

"minor offenses such as carrying a forged driver's license or using a fraudulent Social Security number" are minor as long as the frausulent numbers are yours and not mine!
If the support of American citizens (owners of the United States) is desired for so-called "immigration reform", 2 questions must be clearly and specifically answered:
1. What are the benefits for American citizens?
2. What are the detriments to the American citizens?
Once it is made clear that the benefits significantly out-weigh the detriments, support will be achieved.

Richard

Please, stop pulling out the Racism card, its like the boy who cried wolf,
except in that story there really was a problem that was later ignored.

We still treat the illegal aliens from Mexico and further south far better than
Mexico treats anyone who tries to come up into their job market.

Immigration is for the benefit of the country allowing such immigrants
first and foremost. This is right and proper, just as Mexico.

Forgiving a crime because its "too hard to enforce" is a garbage reason.
There is a lack of political will to do the right thing, not an inability to get
things done.

I'll even accept a partial reform if they really will lock down the border 1st.
I require it to be done first simply because they still have not locked it down
after the LAST "reform/amnesty" they did in 1988!
Fool me once ....

As to the adjustments I propose, its simple.
A person wanting to come here must have a job waiting.
Said job must provide a living wage and full health insurance for that
person and any dependents present. A bond must be posted to cover
and illegal activity that might be performed by that person. Also, there
must be funds set assigned to safely return that person to their native
country once a job is completed.
Alternately, once the odds are known an insurance pool can be established.

Said person must have no communicable diseases, get immunized, and
have the ability to at least understand basic legal commands from law
enforcement in ENGLISH.

When the job is completed they must leave within a reasonable time span
and may not go on public assistance. If they can get a qualifying job within
a that reasonable time span they can stay.

Commit any act of violence or perform actions that put others at risk and
you are done and must exit the country upon the completion of your jail
time (if appropriate).

Logic Not Emotion

Well case closed then, since the editorial board of the Times has decided there is no need to resume workplace raids. Someone call ICE and tell them to disband.

The majority of arguments I have heard justifying the millions of unchecked illegal aliens who have used up the good will of their host nation are the typical pull-your-heartstrings emotional pleas that do not stand up to logical scrutiny.

I will agree many issues are gray rather than black and white, however there are a number of points that are clear as day and will never change no matter how much spin is applied. A sovereign nation has final say over who comes and goes. There is a legal procedure for individuals to emigrate to this country. Illegally entering a nation is, illegal. Identity theft is a crime as is falsifying state issued IDs.

Unfortunately many illegals are using their children as human shields plain and simple. Same mentality as a bank robber picking up a child when the police arrive to apprehend them. Only in this case rather than keeping the police from shooting, they are hoping to keep the INS from deporting.

Edward A

Funny you bring up the Howard Industries Manufacturing plant raid. Here's what happened afterwards:

The African-American man had tried to get hired before the raid, he said. "I filled out an application and took the test, but they never called me back."

Now he makes $8.20 an hour. And he is thankful for the raid.

"Now they got to hire us. The illegals will work for less than we will, and they'll work more. They were getting jobs everywhere."

He added: "I know they got to work, but it's rough over here, too."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28816336/ns/us_news-life/


I guess it easy to be for illegals when your job isn't at risk to them. Other Americans aren't so fortunate.

drove21

@ Lois Robertson-January 31, 2011 at 01:55 PM,
You LOST any arguement you were TRYING to make when you used the RACE CARD, it's too old and worn out like the illegal aliens that are still here. NO-ONE cares when people like you throw out the RACE CARD anymore. You just sound ignorant.

Arthur

The 600 workers were arrested at the raid at the Howard Industries Manufacturing plant in Mississippi STOLE 600 jobs from Americans. And on top of that they drove down wages because why else would the company hire them.

I thought the LA Times would care about the plight of working class Americans. But apparently they don't. They care more about the people who take their jobs and drive down their standard of living. In a time with 12.4% unemployment in CA and 9.4% in the US, this stance is reprehensible.

magyart

I don't care which method of work place enforcement is used, as long as the number of deportations continue to increase.

Visit NumbersUSA and ALIPAC websites and help fight illegal immigration. We need federal E-Verify legislation, to force employers to check social security numbers.

mansterEZ1

ICE is underfunded and not doing its' job. Less than 10% of reported employer misconduct is acted upon. I have statistics to support this claim, but have given it to Wikileaks for safe keeping.

jefffffff

Why should America have no say in who immigrates here?

I have sympathy for the people who come to the US to work. They have it bad in their home countries, they just want to better themselves and their families, give their children opportunities that only America provides. The problem is, why should America give these opportunities and benefits to anyone who slipped through the border illegally or overstayed a visa? It is not America's problem that their home countries are such awful, heinous places. America does not owe these people anything.

There are tons of people tying to immigrate here legally, people with real skills, people who already have an education who can contribute positively to our economy. People who want to be Americans.

Most of the people here, like the lady quoted in the story, do not want to be here. They do not want to assimilate or give their allegiance to America. They do not contribute positively to our economy.

Frank Wilson

NO AMNESTY. It - is - OVER.

Jorge

The main problem about illegal immigration debate is that in one side of the issue, some people use it to impulse their bigotry and hatred, and some other people are totally misinformed, and in the other side, pro immigrants doesn't defend their points with logic and objective statement, but with emotional statements. I notice somebody recommended to read numberusa web site. Unfortunately, numberusa, fair, alipalc, cis, etc. are all organizations with roots in the same person, John Tanton, a nativist who has described brown immigrants (all immigrants, legal or not) as bacteria. All the reports for those organizations are manipulated and full of lies. If you really wish to learn a little bit about the cost of illegal immigration, you could start with the 2004 Economic report from the Bush administration. There is a report from American Magazine called "The Myth of his-panic crime", an another report from "Health affairs" about the real cost in health care for immigrants, legal or not. It is very easy to demonize mexicans immigrants, but nobody mention that the reason millions of poor mexican have been forced to emigrate is because NAFTA. Millions of jobs in Mexico agribusinesses have been lost because the United States subsidize american produces. I suggest to check, too, what happened in Postville, after the raids, Agriprocessor hired African american, and then Somalis, but unfortunately they didn't last longer because they quit since the job and the job's conditions were extreme. Finally the company signed for bankruptcy, and a little later, Postville council asked the central government to declare their city an emergency zone".

Estoban

America accepts one million LEGAL IMMIGRANTS each year. We refuse to accept ONE illegal invader. If you are here ILLEGALLY you must be hunted down for deportation or HOUNDED until you leave on your own. Don't care what country you come from, be it Scotland, China, India, Iran or Mexico - YOU are not welcome here. You are the BOTTOM FEEDERS of the world, disrespecting our laws, culture and people. Return to your home countries and be all that you can be!

jsa26

I find the position of the Times and other pro-illegal groups equally inflexible.

The insistence that those here illegally be forgiven their crimes and efforts be put toward stopping future illegal entry sounds like a repeat of the Reagan era Amnesty. That was a complete failure for everyone except the illegal residents and their extended families.

My position is not a rock solid no amnesty ever but rock solid no amnesty until we have the problem under control. Enforce the laws we have now. Deport those here illegally according to the law. Modify the visa quotas to deal with labor shortages. When we have a working system we can discuss amnesty or a path to citizenship the name is irrelevant.

Paco Mexicana

NO SUCH THING AS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN

The USA must pay immigrants what we deserve:

Welfare
Foodstamps
Healthcare
Housing
Schooling
Transportation

We deserve everything that a citizen gets. When we are given US Citizenship we will vote democrat for the next 100 years.


VIVA LA RAZA VIVA MEXICAO VIVA LA TIMES

Hernan Victor Torres

I think the migration from Latin America will stop when Latin America's economies improve and poverty and inequality diminish. However, it seems that an equitable Latin America is not in the best interest of local and foreign oligarchies.

The neoliberal movement in Latin America has not achieved noteworthy socio-economic progress during the last 3 decades. On the contrary, during these 3 decades tens of millions of Latin Americans have emigrated to the US and Europe. However, in the future emigrating out of Latin America will become more and more difficult leaving the door wide open for the kind of turmoil that is currently upending the Middle East.

It seems that what enriches the oligarchies impoverishes the poor even more...

matt clark

he hires illegal immigrant and tax aviation he hires people for low income while he makes a fortune place name Clarks auto repair union nj 1380 sysvasnt ave 07083 this is got to stop

Don

""""I am all for the legalization of those illegal persons who came to the US for a better way of life. I think that we should forgive those already here and begin anew to allow people to immigrate here legally.

I regard those who demonize illegal immigrants as nothing more or less than racists who have forgotten if they ever knew the inscription at the base of the Statue of Liberty. Our country is different because we ARE a nation of immigrants and always will be.

Let those who think they are so much better than the rest of us find somewhere else to live.""""

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Aren't people getting tired of this argument? "we are a nation of immigrants" Really? The optimum word here is 'immigrants' not 'illegal immigrants' - do you understand the difference?

This country was built by "legal immigrants" who wanted to assimilate into our country, and 'culture' as they did. Unlike the current examples I see in my community every day! Se habla espanol?

Furthurmore; take your race card and stick it! It's not only 'not plausible' in America these days to be a racist, there is also no lacking of tolerance here with the many different races and cultures we are inundated with. It is by government mandate that we are a melting pot.

Look up the word "illegal" in the dictionary and then read some American history literature so you can understand the differences between reality and your weak arguments. If liberty is what you want, then earn it! It's not a right, it's a privilege! Just like a drivers license is; I mean the non-forged ones.

Jagexxx

I urge all readers to blog, email and spread the word in general that the L.A. Times considers Identity Theft by illegal alien a minor offense. This is what they think will help them win the pro-amnesty argument.

Teri


Mr Paco Mexicana, you don,t deserve anything.What you deserve is a one way ticket out of this great USA . And take that liar housekeeper that worked for meg whitman with you

David

LA Times editorial conveniently overlooks contrarian facts. Americans took a compromise during 1986 amnesty. 3 million illegals got amnesty. We were promised better enforcement. The federal government failed these promises and constitutional responsibilities. Why should AMERICANS compromise when we will only get another empty promise and more illegals? LA Times Editors also know that these illegals have always had a path for immigration. Their criminal mentality directs them to choose otherwise, demand special treatment, and label opponents as "racists."

Mitchell Young

Really? We rarely here from the other side?

I don't have time to do the serious research, but I don't doubt that 80-90% of the editorials and op-eds of major daily papers in this country give the 'illegal alien side'. In fact, the mainstream Churches (including the Catholic Church), the US Chamber of Commerce, various ethnic organizations (La Raza, MALDEF, LULAC) various Jewish organizations (ADL), various refugee resettlement industry organizations, the various 'Hispanic" political organizations, etc etc all give the illegal immigration side of things. And of course the immigration lawyers -- a group that receives huge benefits from every amnesty and loophole that passes congress - -and their front gropu 'think tanks' are also well represented in media stories and opinion pagers.

Likewise, the scholarly literature on immigration is almost all devoted to the migrant populations, with virtually zero research on how mass migration affects the receiving population -- especially the working, lower middle, and poorer citizens of industrialized countries who are the most impacted by mass migration.

To say that illegal immigrants have 'no voice' is incredibly obtuse.

Mitchell Young

If the woman quoted is typical, she has three children. They are all being educated at taxpayer expense , and no, if she is making $10 per hour her contributions of sales and (indirect) property tax doesn't come close to footing that bill (in California, $10,000*3*13=$390,000), even doubling it (to account for her husband) and amortizing over a forty year working life. So in that sense she is a drain on our society. That's just the way it is, no matter how hard working she is.

Tom

"Comprehensive Immigration Reform" - Simple...follow the law...enforce the law.

Most who worked hard to "legally" earn citizenship are appauled at the political correctness allowing those who don't follow the law and rules to not only get away with, but "demand."

The Times would gain credibility by conducting a non-bias, thorough and comprehensive survey of "legal" immigrants who've gained citizenship by the rules, and publish the results. I guarantee the Times won't do that. Too much work to get the truth, and it would prove their political spin as worthless.

chatmandu

Your article stated that "resulted in the detention of immigrants for minor offenses such as carrying a forged driver's license or using a fraudulent Social Security number.

Minor offenses??? What if it was your social security number or a fake drivers license in your name that they were illegally using. Would it be such a minor offense then? I think not.

Again we say. What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand.

Tim Bowman

We were promised the same thing in 1986. Three million became 12 million. Pardon our skepticism, but we believe neither you nor the Democrats looking only for future voters.

Frink Stink

Wanna know why immigration is a black and white issue? Amnesty has been done before, every time with a promise it would be the last one. No one's buying it anymore.

It's also difficult, if not impossible to have any sort of compassion for "families being broken up, humiliation, etc." Illegals made a CHOICE to come here and put whatever current/future family they have in this situation.

I certainly understand that they're coming here to work but their very presence continues wage suppression and under the table employment - they are most certainly stealing jobs from Americans and at the very least are continuing to provide a steady stream of slave-ish labor that is infinitely more attractive to business than having to pay someone minimum wage and follow workplace/safety regulations.

Immigration raids need to sharply escalate, AS DO SEVERE EMPLOYER SANCTIONS. I don't think anyone who is against illegal immigration will deny that businesses are at fault as well, but that still doesn't mean we as taxpayers must take on an ever increasing, unsustainable burden.

Want to really do something about immigration? How about ending the war on drugs that has enabled the cartels to take over Mexico and corruption there to run rampant?

AttilaNY

As far as I see illegal immigrants make jobs what Americans with collage degree dont want, without a college degree mostly are not able to do. No need for unpunctual, unreliable and drug users not even at the bottom level of the unskilled work. Illegal immigrants arent gona take police, firefighter, teacher, doctor, architect, engineer, nurse etc jobs. They cant work in big factories either. If there are jobs taken away from some Americans at the lower part of the labor market, it is outsourced oversees, mostly in Chine. Even the president head statues sold in the Museum of the American History are "Crafted in Cines".

AttilaNY

As far as I see illegal immigrants make jobs what Americans with collage degree dont want, without a college degree mostly are not able to do. No need for unpunctual, unreliable and drug users not even at the bottom level of the unskilled work. Illegal immigrants arent gona take police, firefighter, teacher, doctor, architect, engineer, nurse etc jobs. They cant work in big factories either. If there are jobs taken away from some Americans at the lower part of the labor market, it is outsourced oversees, mostly in Chine. Even the president head statues sold in the Museum of the American History are "Crafted in Cines".

richard kook

"What I would like to say to the American people,..."

What I would like to say to illegal immigrants is that there is no such thing as 'just coming here to work to support their children"....you are very very expensive to have here. you have children that we are forced to give citizenship too, making it impossible to deport you without being called 'family wreckers'. your children are extremely expensive for us....we have to pay for your pregnancy, their birthing, their healthcare, their education, their food and subsidize their shelter.....and your 'taxes' don't even come close to covering that cost. Each of your children cost about $10,000/yr for all these things.....multiply that by the 20 million or so anchor babies and you get $200 billion per year in cost we wouldn't otherwise have. Not to mention another $30k per birth. (ie $600 billion to get them out of your overfertile womb).

....not to mention those traitors among you calling for 'reconquista'....

Regan DuCasse

There is nothing comprehensive about allowing any immigrants, impatient with the process or ineligible to CHEAT our system of laws.
There isn't anything wrong with our system of immigration. It's those scofflaws and our lack of enforcement that's created chaos and anarchy and inconsistency within it.

No matter what we do, some immigrants will refuse to comply. This country is the destination of choice for BILLIONS all over the globe. Not everyone who wants to be here, could be here no matter how generous our laws. We just don't have the capacity and resources in the best of times. There are limits. There are limits of resources for citizens.
Cheating, not now, nor EVER...should be denied, forgotten, forgiven or treated as if a good reason to accommodate anyone.

 
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