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Majority support for gay marriage appears to stick

I expressed some hope last month that a CNN poll showing that a slim majority of Americans support the right of gays and lesbians to marry finally signaled the inevitable shift in public opinion for which same-sex couples had been holding out. I noted, however, that such a rapid swing could be based on a statistical fluke as much as actual public opinion.

But a new Associated Press poll has produced nearly identical results: Fifty-two percent of respondents said the federal government should recognize same-sex marriages (again, I invite the more statistically inclined readers to comment on how poll wording can produce skewed results). The political implications for President Obama are obvious, a topic explored on the Sunday Op-Ed page by Harvard law professor Michael Klarman. Indeed, it seems as if political implications are what motivate the White House to toe the awkward line of supporting equality for everyone -- gays and lesbians included -- while saying some of us don't deserve the right to marry.

Klarman is right to say that Obama's support for the cause could indeed generate a conservative backlash (I'd add that it would also probably energize activists for marriage equality). But the president's political future matters less than ending the indignity suffered by gay and lesbian couples. Plus, a growing majority of Americans are no longer on his side.

-- Paul Thornton

 

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Michael

Why does the shrill anti-gay pressure group NOM continue to attack and demean the majority of Americans who believe in equality for all?

stan james

The battle for gay marriage is really a battle for respect. Of a minority who are demonized and denigrated in the name of God. Exactly like what was done to Blacks, Jews to some extent, Asians, and now Hispanics also.

All of Western Europe except italy and greece (no wonder) recognize gay unions, 7 with Marriage. Latin America has changed. Argentina, Columbia, and Mexico with gay marriage. Uruguay, Equador and most of brazil with civil unions.

And lots of other countries including Israel, Canada, repub of south Africa, Nepal, New Zeealand, parts of australia, and a beginning in Japan.

Gayt narriage or an equivalent - its time has come for the USA, the land of fr4eedom and opportnnity to grant the same to our gay citizens.

And this has nothing to do with churches, who always have and will have the right to perform whatever ceremonies they wish. But shosuld not be allowed to impose their beliefs on others.

Thats called theocracy. Which is what brought us both 9/11 in the Islamic brand.

And gives us 3000 gay kids every year who commit suicide because they are ostracized by their friends. Murdered by words of some churches in the name of God.

ESTELLA DAVIS

THAT'S ONE THING WE CAN GIVE CREDIT TO BARACK OBAMA FOR AND THAT IS SHOWING US THE DIFFERENCE IN HOMOSEXUALS AND GAYS. FOR THE MOST PART, THE AVERAGE PERSON JUST NEVER CARED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE SINCE IT DID NOT INVOLVE STRAIGHTS OR THE REGULAR ONES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOWED ALONG WITH BRINGING TO A FOREFRONT THE BIRACIALS LIKE HIMSELF WHO WERE KIND OF LOST IN THE MIX TO NOT BE NOTICED UNTIL NOW. IT IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN GAYS AS AN OFFICIAL GROUP AND IT IS THE FIRST TIME WE HAVE SEEN BIRACIALS, LIKE THE PRESIDENT, AS AN OFFICIAL GROUP APART FROM OTHER GROUPS LIKE AFRICAN-AMERICANS. WE HAVE BEEN BROKEN APART AT THE SEAMS IN MANY WAYS WITH THE LOWERING OF THE BAR. I WONDER IF WE WILL EVER BE A UNION AGAIN? I THINK IT MAY BE TOO LATE FOR THE UNION AT THIS POINT, TWO YEARS INTO THE PRESIDENCY. WE ARE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH CONNECTED AT THIS POINT WHICH IS GOOD BYE TO THE UNION. ONLY THE LORD KNOWS WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO US FROM NOW ON. WYCLIFF JEAN RAN FOR PRESIDENT OF HAITI (NOT LITTLE HAITI) AND LOST ON SOME KIND OF TECHICALITY. BUT, HE SAYS HE WILL TRY AGAIN. HE HAS TO DO IT AGAIN, TO GET IT RIGHT. THE PRESIDENT IS INTERESTED IN DOING THE RIGHT THING. WHAT KIND OF GOVERNMENT WANTS THE RIGHT THING DONE, TODAY? I CAN GIVE THE PRESIDENT AN EXAMPLE, HE IS STILL RATHER YOUNG FOR THE RESPONSIBILITY COUPLED WITH HIS OTHER DISADVANTAGES FOR THE OFFICE. THERE IS A BAND WITH A DRUM MAJOR, MR. PRESIDENT. EVERYBODY IS ON THE SAME FOOT IN THE BAND, EXECEPT ONE PERSON AND THE DRUM MAJOR. HOW MANY ARE ON THE WRONG FOOT, MR. PRESIDENT? ALL ARE ON THE RIGHT FOOT EXCEPT TWO, MR. PRESIDENT. PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, IT IS A PARADE OR PARADE PRACTICE. THE DRUM MAJOR AND ONE BAND MEMBER ARE ON THE WRONG FOOT MR. PRESIDENT. PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW IF BARACK OBAMA CAN LEAD THE PEOPLE OF THE COUNTRY OR THE NATION. DO THE RIGHT THING IS O.K. FOR SPIKE LEE MR. PRESIDENT, BUT, FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DO THE RIGHT THING IS FOREIGN LANGUAGE OR FORKED TONGUE. WORDS LIKE, PROPER, PROTOCOL, APPROPRIATE, PRIORITY ARE NEEDED. MAYBE BARACK, SPIKE AND WYCLIFF WILL HAVE A RIGHTEOUS MEETING SOMETIME IN LITTLE HAITI, OR MAYBE GOD WILL JUST FORGIVE AMERICA FOR ITS WICKEDNESS AND EVILNESS AND GIVE US A CLEAN SLATE, JUST FORGIVE ALL THE DEBTS AND TRESPASSES AND START WITH A CLEAN SLATE.

Robguy

Good luck with that. In Australia we have more than 60% approval for marriage equality yet the government is so cowed by the religious fascists it can't even be properly debated. - and Aussie Christians are far less obnoxious than American Christians.

wozerd

MS. Davis,
You wrote:
"OR MAYBE GOD WILL JUST FORGIVE AMERICA FOR ITS WICKEDNESS AND EVILNESS "

May I ask-- who are you comparing America to? Or, is this just a phrase that pops out of your mouth like the saliva from Pavlovs dog? Have you ever really considered what you are saying when you make such a statement? Are you basing this on history? Are you comparing America to ANY country in Africa? South America? the Middle East? Asia?
Are we talking about white America? Are we talking about the people of the USA or, the government?
Is this country responsible for some horrible misdeeds? Absolutely! But, compared to the crimes against humanity carried out by other countries and peoples, the USA is a Nit on an Elephants back.
Let's take your beloved Haiti for an example. Where would Haiti be after the earthquake if it weren't for the USA? A better question is: Why was Haiti where it was BEFORE the earthquake-- (or do you blame the USA for that too?).
Do not think for one second people here do not know what your mindset is.
For instance, you type in ALL CAPS. When you call America Wicked and Evil-- we all know who you really are calling Wicked and Evil.
Just remember, dear one, the PEOPLE of the USA gave more relief aid to Haiti than virtually any other government on the planet. I said the PEOPLE-- donations from individuals-- not from the Federal Government., gave more financial, material and physical aid to Haitians than almost ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT or individual people of other countries on this planet!
Wicked and Evil? Close your mouth and open your eyes!

Regan DuCasse

I've asked Brian Brown some very direct questions similar to that, Michael. He and I were exchanging emails for a while. I asked him when and where no society DIDN'T benefit from equality and justice for previously maligned minorities.

When has anyone suffered because fairness prevailed for all people? How doe
s it damage a society, when gay people do exactly (serve in uniform, have long time committed relationships, adopt unwanted children) what hetero are applauded for?

I asked him if it would better served families if NOM focused on fighting domestic violence, rather than gay adults trying to take responsibility for their loved ones and be self reliant.

And that's when he cut me off, and told me MY focus was ill advised. He's rather stupid actually. And I got a new e-newsletter from him that's outright delusional.
Fine, he's entitled to his opinion. So he should own his bigotry.

Jet Black

LoL! Ok, let's vote on it then.

Tim Flagler

I did not understand why anyone would oppose the marriage of loving couples (same sex or otherwise) until I checked out www.gaymarriage.procon.org which looks at the pros and cons of gay marriage. Although I disagree with the anti-gay marriage folks, at least I understand their views better and no they are not all crazy (although many of them are woefully uninformed).

Sean

Tim Flagler: You said you saw the point on Procon and I read it two and it is the biggest pot of horse crap I've ever seen. Those stats on the con side are from the bigots and not actual statistics. Just thought you should know. Plus there's a higher divorce rate in the heterosexual community than in the homosexual community by far.

Marphurius Parione (Congresso_degli_Arguti)

LOL. Is this the same polling that also said that Gay Marriage in California is supported by the majority?

If so, how come it lost?

And if it's so popular, why do you need a Gay Federal Judge to impose it on California?

NOT LIKELY.

Bob

Looks like a great take for the survey of Southern California. Try the former Confederate Sates of America and its contiguous states. Am leery about most of the other "rural" states back there, too.

Guess it is relly sorta moot, since we are approaching extinction by the end of this century. Earlier comments on this topic have been withdrawn from the public, but relate to article report to Congress Dr. Hansen 1988. See http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abstracts/1996/Hansen_etal_1.html also.
Bob

Silvia Martinez

God Bless Obama.
I don't know why people just say "Oh, Obama's not doing nothing. Why did we vote for him?"
Seriously one man can't change the world, we got to do things to help too.
Not just wait on our ass and see when everything in this damn world goes princess perfect. Hell no.

Steve

52% of Americans do not support gay marriage. The poll is simply a lie. If you wish to believe that poll, you could also choose to believe the poll released the other day by the World Net Daily that showed that 70% of Americans believe that marriages should be defined as a union between one man and one woman. If 52% of Americans support gay marriage, how is it that 53% of way left Mainers last year repealed their gay marriage law and about the same percentage of even farther lefters Californians the year before? Additionally, a poll by Public Policy Polling finds that 57% of Americans oppose gay marriage and that public opinion hasn't shifted in either Maine or California. Get real and stop believing news agency polls that are designed to create story fodder. Obama knows this and that's why he doesn't support gay marriage.


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