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That useless Obama Muslim poll

Muslimobama Oh look, a poll revealing the shocking fact that 20% of Americans are delusional about Imam Barack Obama's religious fealty. Let's see how long it takes for the Washington Post to blame the dastardly Internet:

The number of Americans who believe -- wrongly -- that President Obama  is a Muslim has increased significantly since his inauguration and now accounts for nearly 20 percent of the nation's population.

Those results, from a new Pew Research Center survey, were drawn from interviews done before the president's comments about the construction of an Islamic cultural center near Ground Zero, and they suggest that there could be serious political danger for the White House as the debate continues.

The president's religion, like his place of birth, has been the subject of Internet-spread rumors and falsehoods since before he began his presidential campaign, and the poll indicates that those rumors have gained currency since Obama took office.

Buried in the third graf. Not bad.

I say this because blaming the Interwebs has become a cop-out for those wondering why people believe crazy things about Obama. George Washington and John Adams were accused of secretly harboring loyalties to the British crown, a poisonous charge in early post-Revolutionary America. More recently, George W. Bush's entire presidency was clouded by accusations that he stole the 2000 election, a contest in which his primary opponent, John McCain, endured rumors in South Carolina that he fathered an African American baby. Unprovable accusations and conspiracy theories are more believable when they're about the guy you didn't vote for, Internet or no Internet.

And if they're out to show how badly informed a good chunk of Americans are, the Pew Research Center may as well ask other questions -- Is Trig really Sarah's son? Did Neil Armstrong really walk on the moon? -- that would probably produce similar results.

-- Paul Thornton

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Disenchanted Journo

Nice point but there is still a role of the Internet and decline of media that can't be denied. Nevertheless, it is more proof that some people are just plain unintelligent and beyond saving. - http://disenchantedjourno.blogspot.com/2010/08/thought-of-day-more-proof-that-many.html

GregR

Personally I am much more concerned that he's a 20+-year follower of black liberation theology. He can say that he is a Christian, but what he listened to every Sunday for 20 years has no resemblance to Jesus' teachings whatsoever.

Bruce Deitrick Price

Thornton is too smug. There was always that odd comment (made by Obama, I believe) that his daughters didn't get birthday presents (or Christmas presents).

How statistically bizarre. Why not? Some have noted that Sharia Law forbids such presents. Do an article on this.

djs1138

The President is Muslim. He was born muslim. He enrolled in two schools in Indonesia and he was registered as muslim in both. He attended two hours a week of muslim religious study. I didn't make that up, it's a fact. Also fact, he converted to Christianity and joined a church that preaches black theology. I don't have an issue with any of it, but those are facts regardless. Obama discusses it in his book. Being that he converted makes him Muslim Apostate. I'm not making it up...it's just reality. You may think 1 in 5 poll respondents are idiots, but they're not wrong...

My Hoosier Opinion

Since Obama's father was Muslim, his son is also a Muslim. He can call himself whatever he wants but under Sharia law, once a Muslim father has children, they are Muslim or they are apostate (forsaking their given religion). He can not have it both ways. There is an attempt by the media to paint 25% of the poll respondents as ignorant. the ignorant ones are the 75% that believe he can escape the Muslim religion he was born into. He can't.

misanthropicus

Why “delusional”?
Franziskus School (Djakarta) enrollment page photo taken by AP (and other news agencies) : (1) name – Barack Hussein Soetero; (2) citizenship – Indonesian; (3) religion – Muslim.
So, since there simply is NO OTHER evidence documenting dba Obama’s life journey available, and since dba Obama anyway has a pathetic record when it comes to truthfulness, we cannot but believe that dba Obama is a closet Muslim.

And if you have problem with the Franziskus evidence, then ask Gibbs or Bauer what is their view of that document – so we could have better understanding of this matter -

Heck, but what the WH and dba Obama really want is to smother the growing talk about his presidential illegitimacy – and with primitive manoevering like yours, you just added one more reason of suspicion regarding this matter –
Thanks, nice job - albeit unwitting -

Cecile

I like how you compare the Obama issue with allegiance to the British Crown in early post-revolutionary America, because that's exactly what is at stake: America stood up to the tyrants in Europe, it should stand up to the Muslim tyrants. And no, please, don't leave this battle to idiots like Palin and Gingrich, the powers of democracy should be leading this one. Don't give into finagling defenders of an outdated political regime who are willing to hide behind religion in order to continue to subject half the world to slavery and poverty.

Paul Thornton

@misanthropicus: Don’t read too much into the Indonesian school records. It was customary then for the religion of the father to formally be the children’s faith. You don’t really think we should hold Obama the adult responsible for an action taken by his stepfather when he was a kid, do you?

Mitchell Young

" It was customary then for the religion of the father to formally be the children’s faith. "

And it is customary now for Muslim father, non-Muslim mother couples. I know several (or their children) personally, and they pop up in the news every now and again -- in the LA Times and elsewhere.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/18/world/la-fg-palestinian-shot-20100818

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=4102781&page=1

In every single case of which I am aware -- the children are given Muslim names and raised as Muslims. Most times the woman converts, even today.


Louis Anthes

Then, let's start spreading rumors about everyone else. Like Mormon Harry Reid: does he have more than one wife?

Or Russell Pearce: Mormon wife beater?

Or Mitt Romney: Mormon, secretely gay

Southern Beale

I doubt the Washington Post, Los Angeles Times or anyone else would have received much attention if they had reported that "More than four out five people, or 82 percent, know President Obama is not Muslim..." Instead it's "ZOMG 18% think he IS!" And so our public opinion and national narrative is spun.

Ron Krumpos

Read the fine print. At the end of the article, as they are required to do, Gallup said this:

“Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted Aug. 17, 2010, on the Gallup Daily tracking survey, with a random sample of 1,009 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, selected using random-digit-dial sampling.”

That was the opinions of 1,000 people of the 300 million in the USA. Anyone who has access to the Internet. reads newspapers or news magazines, or even carefully watches TV news would know that President Obama in a Christian. He is promoting freedom of religion, as did our Constitution, and trying to avoid bigotry toward Muslims. He probably has more sensitivity to it because he once lived in Indonesia.

Teach

So why is he killing so many Muslims in so many countries?

NanceGreggs

Of course he is a Muslim.

Why else would his Muslim Kenyan father have named him 'Hussein'??? After the Apostle 'Hussein'? No. Obama's father was a Muslim and his son was born a Muslim. When Stanley (yes, Obama's white mother was named 'Stanley' by her parents~~~no wonder she was messed up) married another man, she married another Muslim and took her son to live in Jakarta where he was raised as a Muslim. There, Barry Soetoro was registered as a Muslim in school, because THE PARENTS GET TO NAME YOUR RELIGION WHEN YOU ARE A CHILD. No child, that I know of is given a choice as to what religion he/she wants to follow. I was raised a s a Protestant, YES, MY PARENTS WERE PROTESTANT and, therefore, I was a Protestant. How difficult is that for people to accept.

The problem lies in the fact that the main street media wants to perpetuate the lie that Obama is a Christian. What Christian church does he attend? The one where Jeremiah Wright told the world to 'God Damn America'? Obama left that church after he attended it for more than 20 years. Obama hates America and he hates non~black Americans. He learned this through his MENTOR Jeremiah Wright.

At best Obama is a Muslim Apostate, but his roots are in Islam. No matter how you slice it and dice it, a man named BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, is Muslim. It's as plain as the nose on his face.

Gilman

Who really cares about his religious beliefs....I am much more concerned that he is turning out to be the worse President in my lifetime.

Maxwells

Why not simply ask Obama if he is a practicing Muslim, and if he believes in the Muslim faith?

The "Facts" are exactly what have people believing Obama is still a muslim.

Obama attended muslim school and studied the Koran, and at age 46 during an interview, "Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent" He also called it ''one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.''

He wasn't even baptized until the early 90's at the Trinity United Church in Chicago, when he was about 30 years old. That suggests he was following another faith, possibly muslim until then.

Obama also visit Pakistan as a college student, suggesting a strong interest in the muslim world.

In fact his first official phone call as President of The United States was to a muslim leader, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

A couple of direct questions and President Obama can put these rumors to rest once and for all.

spatter

This is hilarious -- some guy writes an article about how we shouldn't blame the Internet for all these people who so are stupid as to believe Obama is a Muslim. And most of the comments back are busy explaining why Obama actually is a Muslim!!! No Thornton, it isn't the Internet, it is radio and TV talk shows!

NanceGreggs

One would have to be a moron to not realize that Hussein Obama was raised with a Muslim background. He wrote about it himself. Those who would deny it are either imbeciles or so obtuse that logic does not enter into their sphere of consciousness.

Taqiyya and Kitman are both instructions in the Koran which taught Hussein Obama that lying to infidels is not only acceptable but desirable in order to scheme against non~believers. Hussein Obama will lie about his religious beliefs, because it behooves him to do so. The good thing is that many Americans are finally opening their eyes to the dangers of this man. He, thus far, has proven himself to be an even more incompetent leader than any of his detractors could have ever imagined. The politically independent voters will not be swayed by the lies of Barack Hussein Obama, come 2012. This November voters will let him know what they think of his handling of America's affairs. It is imperative that Hussein Obama's hands be tied, by not allowing congress to be a rubber stamp for all his fiscal mismanagement.

Imam Obama must be sent packing back to Chicago where he can go back to being a communist organizer.

Victor Gentile

Paul Thornton is too smart for this society. People love all the crazy stuff and have since I was a child. Recently an owner of an establishment I frequented told me that Franklin D. Roosevelt was a communist. That did it. I have never gone back. I will not let my money support the loonies.

Banned for Not Being Politically Correct

I'm still waiting to see the official birth certificate, not the certificate of live birth they keep showing with the serial numbers blackened out.

What's the big deal about showing that?

hoodteacher

Wow, it is truly sad to see people convinced that Obama is Muslim. Even if he was, what does that mean to you? What is your stereotype or belief about him? What is he going do to you? His orders and decisions have killed more innocent Muslims than anyone else. Has he made America worse? If so, in what way? Bush was the one that started the bailouts. Bush started the wars that have resulted in such great debt. It was under his leadership that the economy collapsed. So what has Obama done? Increased spending??? In what way? Name the projects, no the talking points - the debt is a result of the war - 1 trillion dollars and continuing (at least in Afghanistan). I have my assumptions about why these people believe in this stuff, but I will not join them in making assumptions and generalizations about people.

Verballistic

Right Greg, the Marxist theology is very troubling...having a Jeremiah Wright disciple in the White House is a scary thought.

And as far as the poll being "useless", the fact that a GROWING number of Americans think Obama IS a Muslim confirms that he clearly has a pro-Muslim bias. Whether or not he practices Islam is irrelevant when it is CLEARLY a driving political force in his overall agenda.

dRiv

Seriously, the article's first sentence states that I, of the 20% of Americans, am "delusional". Oh Mr. Paul Thornton, shame in your use of words, you are simply a retarded author. The day the media states I "wrongly" believe something is the day personal thought is wiped out of the no longer freed America. The good news is no matter how you try to slam fellow citizens for there opinion on this matter, the numbers keep increasing. Its amazing how citizens belief in Mr. Obama being a christian has declined, and the thought of him being a muslim has increased. And the fact that many citizens really just don't know, should tell you something about the Americans weighing facts, in-between propaganda media and, ACTIONS being played out on the surface should shed some true light into why Americans feel this way. I do not take into account the hard deny rumors that he has yet to answer to yet on his history, his actions alone and quotes from the quran, while throwing in anti-Israel comments and pro-islamic notation is why I believe he is muslim. God Bless the USA

dRiv

Seriously, the article's first sentence states that I, of the 20% of Americans, am "delusional". Oh Mr. Paul Thornton, shame in your use of words, you are simply a retarded author. The day the media states I "wrongly" believe something is the day personal thought is wiped out of the no longer freed America. The good news is no matter how you try to slam fellow citizens for there opinion on this matter, the numbers keep increasing. Its amazing how citizens belief in Mr. Obama being a christian has declined, and the thought of him being a muslim has increased. And the fact that many citizens really just don't know, should tell you something about the Americans weighing facts, in-between propaganda media and, ACTIONS being played out on the surface should shed some true light into why Americans feel this way. I do not take into account the hard deny rumors that he has yet to answer to yet on his history, his actions alone and quotes from the quran, while throwing in anti-Israel comments and pro-islamic notation is why I believe he is muslim. God Bless the USA

dRiv

Seriously, the article's first sentence states that I, of the 20% of Americans, am "delusional". Oh Mr. Paul Thornton, shame in your use of words, you are simply a retarded author. The day the media states I "wrongly" believe something is the day personal thought is wiped out of the no longer freed America. The good news is no matter how you try to slam fellow citizens for there opinion on this matter, the numbers keep increasing. Its amazing how citizens belief in Mr. Obama being a christian has declined, and the thought of him being a muslim has increased. And the fact that many citizens really just don't know, should tell you something about the Americans weighing facts, in-between propaganda media and, ACTIONS being played out on the surface should shed some true light into why Americans feel this way. I do not take into account the hard deny rumors that he has yet to answer to yet on his history, his actions alone and quotes from the quran, while throwing in anti-Israel comments and pro-islamic notation is why I believe he is muslim. God Bless the USA

Mr. Z

The author of this OPED seems to be unaware that any child born to a Muslim father, Obama's father was a Muslim, will forever be a Muslim according to their religion. Obama has done everything possible to pander to Muslim's since his Regime has come to power. He may be the perfect 'Manchurian Candidate' or in this case 'Islamic Candidate'.

Laura

I would much prefer having an atheist as president. It won't happen (our last acceptable prejudice). Leave religion out of governing, please!

And America, educate yourselves!

jai


Poll results reveal what the pollsters want them to reveal. And newspapers report what their owners pay them to report. If the facts don't support what the publishers believe, the facts are altered, covered up, or misinterpreted.

Journalism is dead. The press is nothing but a cog in Obama's propaganda machine. That's why the intelligent public has turned to the Internet for information. There is possibly as much misinformation online as in the traditional pres, but at least it is not all propaganda. And if one is diligent, the truth can be unearthed.

As to Obama's faith or lack there of, he was the first to proclaim himself a Muslim. He reported it in his books and he proclaimed it twice on national TV.

George Soros and the Saudis who put Obama in office control enough of the U.S. media and news outlets to propagandize any story. Polls supporting the Obama/Soros/Saudi regime is hyped and results not supporting the regime is covered up, ignored, or ridiculed. The method is right out of Sol Alinsky's play book.

The L.A. Times is just "going along to get along" and this article is just more useless tripe.

Socorro Varela

Ecept that the Democratic Governor of Hawaii sealed Obama's birth certificate. Why would he do that?

Banned for Not Being Politically Correct

How come his birth certificate is sealed and we can't see it? why only a blanked out certificate of live birth?

My son was born at Tripler Hospital, in Hawaii, in the 70's, and he has a birth certificate.

What's up with that?

hoodteacher

@ driv "I do not take into account the hard deny rumors that he has yet to answer to yet on his history, his actions alone and quotes from the quran, while throwing in anti-Israel comments and pro-islamic notation is why I believe he is muslim. God Bless the USA"

Prove this quote. When has Obama quoted the Qu'ran? When has he made any anti-Israel comments? The U.S. continues to contribute huge amounts of money and weapons to Israel. The U.S. backed up Israel 100% when they killed all those unarmed people on the boat, and somehow Obama is anti-Israel?? Some me any evidence!

hoodteacher

I still haven't gotten any response by anyone in relation to my questions here. Instead, people have added comments to reinforce what they already said. It feels like I am talking to a wall out here.

@ Mr. Z - Give an example of how Obama has "pandered" to Muslims? By the way, there is no apostrophe after the m in your use of Muslims. But seriously, he has killed a bunch of people from Afghanistan - where did he pander? The white house dinner, where he spoke on the first amendment? Is that pandering to Muslims? Prove your point.

Orangemike

I'm amazed at the number of people who hate Islam, who are arguing that because Islamic law calls kids whose fathers were Muslims "Muslims" that therefore Obama is an "apostate Muslim"!

As a Christian, I was taught from actual Bible teachings, which instruct us that we should be especially eager to welcome converts, those who are brought to Christ through understanding his teachings, while raised in other faiths.

Even if his family did believe in Islam (as opposed to merely conforming to it), I'd say that actual Christians should be delighted in the example of someone who came to Jesus from Islam. But of course, the real mission of most of the haters is to attack any kind of Christian or Christianity that would not please Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Donald Wildmon and Cal Thomas.

Barack Obama, for all his failings in not standing up more to the nutcase "conservatives" and teabaggers, has done more for actual government on Christian priniciples than both Bushes, Reagan and Nixon (all nominal Christians) put together.

Doctor OB

Why NOT a Christian Church, or an Orthodox one? Who can tell that they don't pray for the TERRORISTS who did suicide hoping they will get in heaven? If a God exists, he will hear their voices doesn't matter the location of their praying.

Elise

Oh I see. Obama is a Muslim because he was born one. So where does that leave Christianity since Jesus was born a Jew?

intent_explorer

Why brush aside so brazenly Barack Hussein Obama's own words and bio? -- e.g. "Obama Admits He Is A Muslim" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY

Why be so ignorant about Muslim upbringing and the 3 main foundations of Islam: Qur'an; Shari'ah; Takiya ?

Reporting one's faith, one should first study how does that faith defines itself within ones mind !

jim

It IS important to keep an eye on the bottom 20% of the population, and where they get their ideas from.

It needs to be pointed out that those who don't want you to believe anyone except them do things like calling those who might tell the truth silly names (Lamestream Media.).

I have a theory about this 20%, it was defined so well in that old commercial for sugarless gum. You can count on 1/5 of the population to get it wrong.

Lazulio

See what happens when our children are so poorly educated and trained that they do not realize that there are those who would pass base and/or biased information for personal satisfaction (slanted truth and lies included).

Lazulio

Does anyone think that we will ever get to elect a Druid President? What the Heck difference does it make. All people of All religions have a right to the office... Religious Freedom was one of the reasons for the English Settling of America in the first place and one of the Freedoms granted in the Constitution.

Robert

Why are Americans such F**kwits? I couldn't care if he was a hindu or an atheist. All the president needs to do with regards to religion is ensure that religious freedom is maintained (IAW the constitution). The president's own religion should be a private matter. If I were Obama, I'd reply to these questions with a "none of your business."

David Blum

It's not speculative that Bush stole the election, there's a Supreme Court ruling anyone can read that any honest jurist would admit was hamhanded and designed to give Bush the presidency.

But hey, this is the LA Times, and we can assert lies b/c everyone lies and there is no truth. It's all politics.

No. It's not. There is an objective reality, conservatives just maniacally deny it.

Billy BuBB

as long as Obama stays in the USA, he is safe from death or punishment by the muslim clergy. Once returning to Indonesia or some other hardline muslim outpost, he'll like be killed.
For example: Islam people that convert to Mormonism or Christianity in other forms, are immediately executed when returning to the county of birth, for no Islamic can forsake the oath of Allah.
No christian, fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan is even allowed to posess a bible or book of mormon, nor use pork products, beer, and other restraints; no matter that we are dying for their benefit. Islam forbids it and that is enough. Under islam propaganda, those who kill infidels receive glory and 7 virgins in the afterlife.
Religion can be a convoluted deal that only works for everyone that lives in the USA- anywhere else may cost your life ofr your beliefs or your birthright, depending on what you did to represent it in a public forum

Sbigkyle

Robert, OrangeMike, you both get it right! First and foremost its about freedom of religon!!!! Isn't the Tea bag folks about freedom? We may not like it, but they have a right to open a place just like everyone else! I remember a story about a House in Holmby Hills, wanting to turn there home to a jewish temple, and people complained about that too! that so called 20% is not the reflextion of the population who know the truth!

me

I think we should forget about religion for now, and stop criticizing President Obama, for everything, and start criticizing the Republicans for turning their back on this country, and not helping to bring this country to what it was when Clinton was in office.

Jay Adler Comment

I believe that the question posed by this article more accurately is more suited to address the huge lack of due diligence that the American voters are generally guilty of. Barrack Obama since the primaries has continuously brought up issues with the voters that they just cast aside for lack of information or simply frustration. I f you remember the association or rather guilt by association period of his candidacy, many dismissed this topic while I advocated a closer look. My feeling at the time was that we cannot give the same leeway to a probable President elect as we would a cook or a bus driver. So what if he is a Muslim? So what if he has a birther issue? I just want the lifestyle I lost along with my family, I do not care under what pretense Obama accomplishes that.

IonaTrailer

I heard his maternal grandmother was Jewish - so doesn't that make him a Jew?

Robert B.

Hey Paul: The reason why "George W. Bush's entire presidency was clouded by accusations that he stole the 2000 election" is because he did.

Ian

What I find most disturbing is that in XXIst century America people debate/care about the religion of the President. He was elected president, NOT Pastor, Imam or Rabbi.

Dave in Northridge

Okay, Bush didn't "steal" the 2000 election. Five justices of the Supreme Court did that. I also suggest that in the subsequent writing you do about this you keep in mind the words "first black President." The Washington Post blames the Internet to avoid taking any reponsibility for being part of the problem, which it and the rest of the 24-hour news cycle (yes, that means you too) certainly is.

Georgia Christian

I for one, even with all of it's flaws, am truly thankful that the internet exsists. Fact or fiction, freedom of speech is still alive. Mainstream media can not and does not report all of the news and information that is out there.
Obama could end all of the speculation about his background if he would authorize the release of all of his birth records, school records and other questionable data. Anyone with nothing to hide would have no problem with this.
Like it or not, religious affiliation & training, or lack there of, does shape and influence a man's character, principals, and actions. That is why this issue is relevant!
When you consider the sad state of our nations's current character, it should be no surprise that someone of such questionable background is representing us to the rest of the world.

 
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