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How to really shut up the Obama 'birthers'

Dobbs Short answer: Amend the Constitution.

I say this because some of the commentary in reaction to the suddenly resurfacing movement to prove that President Obama isn't a natural-board citizen -- fueled in part by filthy-rich average guy Lou Dobbs -- has blamed the Internet for providing the outlet that hateful, xenophobic conspiracy theorists don't deserve. In his otherwise funny and effective column today on Dobbs, The Times' own James Rainey makes this rote statement: "I often hear from disgruntled readers that they don't pay attention to the dread 'Mainstream Media' because they can find 'the truth' on the Internet. Translation: Some blogger will please them by propping up just about any cockeyed theory that they hold."

Unacknowledged in the wake of the Dobbsian nuttiness is the real villain of the Obama birther movement: The Constitution. It's precisely this sacred document that seeds the conspiracy theories over where President Obama was really born. Sure, the Internet does indeed facilitate such craziness (just as it facilitates smart observations that don't have an outlet in newspapers), but none of this would be possible without the following part of Article II, Section 1 in the Constitution: "No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

So what should be completely irrelevant -- where Obama's parents were on a single day in 1961, an accident of history over which the president had no control but that could have disqualified him from office -- becomes legal cover for those who just want to "enforce the law." Witness Rep. John Campbell (R-California) using this defense to support a bill he sponsored to require presidential candidates to supply a birth certificate as proof of citizenship.

It's the Constitution that seeds this lunacy, and yes, the Internet allows it to grow. But amending the natural-born clause out of the Constitution (which The Times' editorial board supports) would remove that seed (plus be more fair to millions of naturalized U.S. citizens, and leave our country better off).

And no, I don't think Obama was born in Kenya.

Photo: Lou Dobbs in 2007 at the National Press Club in Washington. (Karen Bleier / AFP/Getty Images)

 

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Neal Kaye

Show the real birth certificate (Not the COLB which means nothing). That would shut them up. So why hasn't this been done?. Oh I don't know, maybe a real birth cert. showing his US birth does not exist?

Jack Wilson

Mr. Thornton refers to Lou Dobbs as a'Filthy rich average guy' and he thinks there is something wrong with folks who dare question the messiah?

Miles

WAKE UP!

Your proposals SUPPORTS the contention that Obama is NOT CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT!!! - because, appealingly the only way you propose to resolve question, is not with the truth and facts - but rather change the law to fit your HYPER-partisan objectives. For We, The People to AMEND THE CONSTITUTION! You are out of you mind.

"...amending the natural-born clause out of the Constitution (which The Times' editorial board supports) would remove that seed (plus be more fair to millions of naturalize U.S. citizens, and leave our country better off)?"

That affirms the widely held belief that Obama IS NOT A a Constitutionally valid president. This proposal validates the contention that BO is not Legit, which he is not. End of debate.

Get over it. 50% of our county DID NOT vote for this FRAUD, AND TO THOSE OF YOU WHO DID - have acute buyers remorse.

THE DNC AND OBAMA ARE NOT, AND WILL NEVER BE ABOVE OUR CONSTITUTION. This will never happen, no matter how much Pork he gives you.

 NinaK

The State of Hawaii has proven Barack Obama was indeed born in Hawaii and is a U.S. Citizen. Candidate Barack Obama placed his birth certificate on the internet for all to view. The "Obama birthers" evidently live in a "birth box" measuring 2"by4" and cannot see beyond that. These people should be sued for defamation of character and for spreading their hatred. Barack Obama is more "American" than all these sickos put together. Yes, indeed, they need to shut up!

Stickler For Rules


The amusing thing is that none of the candidates were technically eligible. Read it!
"No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."
To b eligible in 2008, one would have to have been a citizen in 1787, and be 221 years old! Maybe the wording really IS due for an update!

Alan B

I do not believe you will get 37 states to ratify that amendment!!!!!

Bily Oak

Mr. Thornton,

Do you even know what it takes to change the Constitution? Are you proposing that we have a Constitutional Convention? Have you taken the time to figure out what that would entail?

Are you suggesting that the US would agree to change laws ipso facto? (after the fact)?

At least on the internet some of the ideas are well thought out, unlike your little diatribe.

A birth certificate would cost no more than $20. Wouldn't that be simpler than a Constitutional Convention? Why has Obama spent hundreds of thousands of legal fees to not produce it? Is he that stubborn? or is he hiding something?

Richard Inyurmuth

So if the COLB means nothing (Read doesn't establish citizenship), then a lot of Americans need to have their citizenships and other passports rescinded. I don't have my original hospital issued birth certificate. Didn't stop me from serving eight years as an officer in the US Army or a peace officer subsequently.

larry

I never thought the birth certificate was an issue, but some do, so why not just present it and lay this thing to rest once and for all?

Stan

This is precisely why California is in so much trouble. Because idiots like you would rather change the rules than abide by them. I'm sure there are many wonderful people that have legally immigrated to this country and are loyal to it. But the fact is there's no reason whatsoever to amend the constitution to allow them to be president.

Gringo Malo

There's a much simpler and cheaper way to shut up the birthers than amending the Constitution. Obama could simply resign and emigrate to Kenya, where his style of anti-Constiitutional governance is appreciated.

Chucky Sly

Yes, the "birther" movement is one more borne of racism and sour grapes than of some dedication to the law of the land (where were you when the last administration churned the Constitution to pulp?). They make little note that McCain's issues of birth would have been more of an issue than the LANDSLIDE WINNER. But indeed, the idea that the writer suggests of changing the Constitution would do nothing to quell the bile coming from the mouths of these un-American fopps who would wreck our system to appease their ire at having lost the election. Believe me, they would find something else to decry and whine about.

Pay attention you know-nothings...the system has worked just fine up to this point (even IF some of our past presidents were less than stellar). We're not changing it to suit your self-serving desires and Barak Hussein Obama is YOUR president. Show some RESPECT to the highest office of this land!

You chumps are only patriots when it's convenient to you.

Douglas J. Bender

If this article doesn't prove California is in the toilet, and that many in the media know or suspect that Obama is not Constitutionally eligible to be President, then nothing would. Change the Constitution in order to allow a usurper to be legitimized???? What an utterly outrageous and even traitorous notion!!!

Jason

"I never thought the birth certificate was an issue, but some do, so why not just present it and lay this thing to rest once and for all?"

Because it might raise issues other than his place of birth and eligibility for office.

Obviously the original 1961 document is of enormous historical interest. It is a document related to a president.

Also today the Times mocked the idea that Obama traveled to Pakistan on an Indonesian passport. OK, did he have an Indonesian passport? Did he travel back to Hawaii on it?

These are obviously important historical matters, yet ignored and sneered at by association with persons who fantasize Obama was not born in Hawaii.

lonecrone

what is a "real" birth certificate. Mine is from the state I live in, saying where and when I was born and who my parents were. As far as I can see, Obama's birth certificate is the same.

My mother doesn't have a birth certificate. She was born at home, so there is no hospital record. When she applied for social security at age 62, and before that, for a passport at age 55, the United States accepted her church baptismal records and the record of her birth in the local news. I'm willing to bet that there are older people in congress who don't have an actual birth certificate, because the state they live in didn't have them when these people were born. I bet there are even former presidents who didn't have a state issued birth certificate.

The state of Hawaii has presented not only their certification of birth, but the birth announcement in the local paper. Maybe we should look up the doc who delivered him.

When will enough proof be enough?

Frank US

Let me get this right - Conservatives have actually read the US Constitution? That's a laugh. They broke every amendment you can think of while in office and now they act like they actually have respect for the Constitution!

These Constitutional Amendments have been broken by the radical Conservatives under Bush:
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Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression - Ratified in 1791
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Amendment IV - Search and seizure - Ratified 1791.
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Amendment X - Powers of the States and People - Ratified 1791.
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Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment - Ratified 12/15/1791.
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As of October 17th 2006 you as an AMERICAN CITIZEN now longer have a right to a trail by Jury if the president accuses you of being an "Enemy Combatant". Torture is now legal in the United States thanks to Conservatives in power. If you don't believe this then look it up yourself:
The Military Commissions Act of 2006. This was passed by 219 conservative Republicans and 34 conservative, (mostly southern Democrats.)
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The only reason Conservatives ever quote the Constitution is when only they themselves stand to gain from it. Conservatives: Selfish liars to the core, who subvert our American ideals for their own greed.

Mike T.

Frank US: Your generalizing comments about Conservatives are shameful and hateful. Being conservative does not automatically relegate one to having the qualities you've just described.

Grow up.

Alferd

neil wrote: "Show the real birth certificate (Not the COLB which means nothing). "
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Sorry to burst your bubble, there, but the "COLB" has been the official BC form in Hawaii since 2001. that is the ONLY form that newborns receive today.

And if you were born before 2001 and you want a new copy of your BC? well guess what, you will receive the "COLB" form. no other form will be issued.

jwoolman

Who cares? Obviously his mom was a US citizen. He could have been born on the moon and he still qualifies. Otherwise McCain would have been disqualified as well, also some other Presidential candidates in the past. Wasn't Goldwater born outside the US, too? I forget (yes, I'm old as dirt and remember when he was running).

No birth certificate needed to confirm Obama's maternal heritage and thus his claim on natural-born citizenship - just look at pictures of his maternal grandfather as a young man. Obama very closely resembles him, despite differences in skin coloring and hair texture.

Douglas J. Bender

lonecrone,

"My mother doesn't have a birth certificate. She was born at home, so there is no hospital record. When she applied for social security at age 62, and before that, for a passport at age 55, the United States accepted her church baptismal records and the record of her birth in the local news."

Did she ever run for President? Was there ever any serious question as to where she was born? Did she have an early history of country-hopping? Was her mother or father a nation-transient?

"I'm willing to bet that there are older people in congress who don't have an actual birth certificate, because the state they live in didn't have them when these people were born."

And if they ever sought to run for President, and there were clear possibilities, from their own histories, that they could have been born in a foreign country, or of foreigners living in the United States, they should be disqualified unless they could prove they are natural born citizens of the U.S..

"I bet there are even former presidents who didn't have a state issued birth certificate."

Perhaps. But the issue is if any of them had legitimate questions as to their "natural born" status. If they had, but not enough was done to "vett" them, then that was wrong, and they shouldn't have even run for President.

"The state of Hawaii has presented not only their certification of birth, but the birth announcement in the local paper."

The latter means practically nothing. The former has never been independently verified via an examination of a physical copy of the Certification of Live Birth by document experts. All we have are some Internet images.

"Maybe we should look up the doc who delivered him."

That's a brilliant idea. Guess how we would know who delivered him - by checking his Birth Certificate.

"When will enough proof be enough?"

When it is enough. Currently, it is my understanding that no court of law would accept online images as proof of birth or citizenship. If any did, then I should be able to scan a copy of my Birth Certificate into my laptop, then lug the computer around to various agencies and show them the image on the computer whenever they required proof of identification or a birth certificate. How much do you want to bet that NO agency would allow that?

joseph_american

NinaK: "These people should be sued for defamation of character and for spreading their hatred."

Go for it! The discovery phase alone would well be worth it.


Stickler For Rules:

The only update needed is your reading comprehension capabilities.

Richard Inyurmuth:

Obama's sister has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia. Please explain if you can.

Captain Steve

This kind of crap is a good example of why I canceled my LA Times subscription!

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

Nick

HAHA, There goes that theory Paul. The "birthers" will complain about anything, i think some of the posters were actually frothing at the mouth while typing their comments.

Unfortunately it is the world we live in. "Innocent until proven guilty" has been replaced by "guilty until proven republican". The constitution is treated like the bible -- Only follow the parts that are convenient. War Heroes and Noble Prize winners die with maybe a obit in their local papers, while pop-stars get wall to wall news coverage for months.

Welcome to the 21st Century AKA The century of the lowest common denominator. The media, the government, our education system... all teaching and preaching to the IQ equivalent of the lowest common denominator. Depressing doesn't begin to describe it.

Ben Button

Wow. This could be the dumbest thing I've ever read. And the L.A. Times prints really dumb things every single day. I sure hope there was some sarcasm behind this "opinion".

Whether or not Pres. Obama was born in the U.S. or not, which I'm going to assume he was, is beside the point. Start printing opinions by people with some common sense. Thanks.

hans Ogren

I think we should judge a president on the location of their birth. Take Bush for example, he was born a pure Texan. Oh wait, it was Connecticut....

joseph_american

Alferd: "Sorry to burst your bubble, there, but the "COLB" has been the official BC form in Hawaii since 2001. that is the ONLY form that newborns receive today.

And if you were born before 2001 and you want a new copy of your BC? well guess what, you will receive the "COLB" form. no other form will be issued."

Totally wrong! Hawaii recently responded that they do keep the records and they WILL give you the full document as long as you pay an extra search fee.

peter sellers

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHHAHAH HAHAHHA republicans are funny when they are mad.

Blake Erie

Minister Obama is the One chosen to lead our World past the constraints of the Archaic US constitution. Such an obsolete white mans set of unfair racist rules cannot and will not fetter Minister Obama! Minsiter Obama will lead until he tires and choose the best Follower no matter the claimed country. There are no more borders under our Minister Obama!

Alexandra

First we have the neo-con Bushbots who couldn't care less about the Constitution and the liberals who pretended to care (never mind that legalized abortion is in violation of the Fifth Amendment, for example).

Now we have the liberal Obama-worshippers who couldn't care less about it and neo-cons pretending to care when it suits them.

I am surrounded by idiots.

I didn't vote for McCain because number one, he'd be a repeat of Bush, and number two, his citizenship was a question mark also. See--race didn't really factor in here for this white/Cherokee woman!

I voted for Chuck Baldwin, CONSTITUTION Party!

cgapperi

This whole COLB argument is so ridiculous. At least here in MN, and I suspect in most states, the hospital 'birth' certificate in not a legal document. It is a quaint keepsake item with footprints on it. It cannot be used as an identification paper of an kind. The legal document is a COLB, produced by the governing body of the birth county.

Michael

Birthers = Racists

They would never do this if he was "white"

joseph_american

Woolman: "Who cares? Obviously his mom was a US citizen. He could have been born on the moon and he still qualifies. Otherwise McCain would have been disqualified as well, also some other Presidential candidates in the past."

It seems the US Senate cared enough about McCain. He showed his long form. Also, see Senate Resolution 511 where they (Senators) clearly state:

"Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936".

Notice the letter "S" at the end of the word citizen?
Barack's father was NOT a citizen.

Also note that Obama sponsored the resolution. Why weren't his credentials checked as thoroughly?

Pearl

I don't believe the U. S. Constitution should be disregarded in this matter. Not at all.

Pearl

hans Ogren (4:28) -- It isn't a matter of judging a President. It's a matter of following the Constitution. Or do you not understand that???

Concerned citizen

These people are ridiculous. Would they have been crying and whining if Senator McCain had been elected? He was born in the Panama Canal Zone when it was under US control. That would be considered constitutionally ambiguous. I seriously doubt that these same people would have come up and challenged McCain's citizenship and eligibility to run for President, though he was not born on US soil.

And they would be right not to challenge it because the whole argument is stupid and pointless. I have no doubt that either McCain or Obama are citizens and patriots. What we should be discussing is whether the policies that the Republicans or Democrats advocate are right for the country. These questions of citizenship are irresponsible, counterproductive and idiotic.

Brad

Speaking of nutty, these L.A. Times editorials take the cake.

Curt

Actually, this is one among several stories attacking "birthers" as racists and conspiracy nuts. news.google clusters these stories together so it's easy to see when it happens. Recently there was a cluster of stories defending The Fed and the banks (Goldman-Sachs in particular). A little research showed it was a coordinated response to articles in Rolling Stone and elsewhere attacking Goldman and their cronies in Govt/Fed/SEC who robbed us.

James

joseph_american: "Obama's sister has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia. Please explain if you can."

Easy, she does not have a Hawaiian COLB. If you have evidence to the contrary please post it here.

Maureen

More than one person posted their circa 1961-1963 Hawaiian birth certificate, which looks NOTHING like Obama's.

One example: http://snarkybytes.com/?p=521 A google search will find more.

If the posted example was standard issue in Hawaii in the early 1960s, why is Obamas so radically different? I recently had to get a copy of my original birth certificate from 1965 in Michigan. Guess what - it's a "long form" with all the doctor, hospital, etc. info, similar to the one posted on the link. When you request a legal copy of your birth certificate, they take the archive copy out of the files, copy it, put the seal on it, and date the copy.

Supply the long form, Obama, and shut everyone up. If you don't, the validity of your natural citizenship will hang on your neck like an albatross.

Susan

Here's the REAL QUESTION that needs to be asked:

During the election, then Senator Obama published a statement at his website which said that his birth status was “governed” by the British Nationality Act of 1948. Can you please tell the American people how a natural born citizen of the United States can be governed – at birth – by British law?

asscal

"Obama's sister has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia. Please explain if you can."

On which it says that she was born in Indonesia not Hawai...are you people dense?

Marvin8

Great article!....right on the money. The birthers are NUTS!!!

David

Obama's mother is a Hawaiian. That makes him a natural born citizen no mater were he was born. This is not rocket science.....

Tom Huggins

The only thing Obuma would have to do is actually provide a birth certificate that says he was born in the Unted States. He has NEVER done that, and even the gutless/liar/coward/fool liberals have to agree on that, because it is simply fact.

As I am neither liberal or conservative, and despise both but for different reasons, I have no "conservative" bias. But on this issue, the "birthers" are one billion, no, one trillion, no, a googolplex accurate as to the facts of the matter. and the liberals, as is always the case are gutless lying cowardly piece of excrement fools who claim to be right even when admitting the falseness of their pose.

2sun

Please dig into the original constitutional intention of the qualifications for President. ie that the president elect have no foreign influence and thus be born of two US citizens in the USA.

For details see following taken from Orly Taitz's Quo Warranto case: James v. Obama

The heart of Obama’s eligibility issue is whether someone with dual nationality can qualify as a “Natural Born Citizen” or whether the Founders intended this qualification to exclude ALL foreign influence in the President compared to “Citizen” for Senator. Furthermore, US Constitution Amendment XX provides for “if the President elect shall have failed to qualify.”
The strict difference between constitutional qualifications of “Natural Born Citizen” for President over “Citizen” for Senator is that the President must be born of two US citizens and be born within the USA to exclude all foreign influence.

Barack Obama Sr. was an alien Kenyan student from the British East African Protectorate of Zanzibar without permanent US domicile. Barack Obama (I) was not a US citizen but a citizen of the United Kingdom and Colonies. Consequently, Barack H. Obama (II) acknowledged he had British citizenship at birth by The British Nationality Act of 1948.

As President Elect, Obama failed to provide any evidence that he had qualified. He failed to provide evidence that both his parents were US citizens. Registrars in Hawaii and Kenya claim to have Obama’s birth certificate. Obama has not provided any original birth certificate or associated evidence sufficient to distinguish between these differing public claims of his birth.

Following is evidence of this intent from the Constitutional Convention and drafters of the 14th Amendment.

John Jay (later first Chief Justice) recommended to Constitutional Convention President George Washington:
“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check on the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the commander in chief of the American army shall not be given to, nor devolve on any but a natural born citizen.” (Jay emphasized “born”).

Washington acknowledged and the Convention changed “citizen” to “natural born citizen” without debate.

In “The Law of Nations”, (1758) Emmerich de Vattel defined “natural born citizen” as combining both parents’ allegiance (jus sanguinis) with birthplace(jus soli):
"The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. . . to be of the country, it is necessary to be born of a person who is a citizen, for if he be born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country. . ."

Alexander Hamilton explained:
“ . .every practicable obstacle should be opposed to cabal, intrigue, and corruption. These most deadly adversaries of republican government . . . [come] chiefly from the desire in foreign powers to gain an improper ascendant in our councils.” To protect the President’s election from foreign powers: “. . . raising a creature of their own to the chief magistracy . . the convention have guarded against all danger of this sort, . . .”

Delegate Senator Charles Pinckney summarized the Electoral College and Presidential qualifications:
“It was intended to give your President the command of your forces, . . . . . to make it impossible for the different States to know who the Electors are for, or for improper domestic, or, what is of much more consequence, foreign influence and gold to interfere; that by doing this the President would really hold his office independent of the Legislature; . . . This therefore they have guarded against, and to insure experience and attachment to the country, they have determined that no man who is not a natural born citizen, or citizen at the adoption of the Constitution, of fourteen years residence, and thirty-five years of age, shall be eligible.... ”

Rep. John A. Bingham, Union Army Judge Advocate and drafter of the 14th Amendment said:
“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause [S 61 Bill], which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen”.

Senator Lyman Trumbull, Chairman of the Judiciary Committee, inserted “subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof” into Amendment XIV, explaining:
“That means 'subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.' What do we mean by 'complete jurisdiction thereof?' Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”

For further details, see

Eligibility Lawsuits

e.g. James v Obama

The Right Side of Life has posted all the Elegibility Lawsuits at http [colon double slash] www [dot] therightsideoflife [dot] com [slash question] page [underline] id [equals] 1518

See also the web site of Orly Taitz Esq [dot] com

Steve Rogers

The birthers tend to make a really big deal out of the difference between the "long form" birth certificate and the "short form" certificate of live birth. Obama has released his "short form" COLB, which list his place of birth as Honolulu, HI, for all to see. The state of Hawaii no longer gives out the original "long form" birth certificates. Birthers will claim that at the time that Obama was born, people born overseas could still get a COLB from the State of Hawaii. This is true, HOWEVER a COLB obtained by a foreigner would NOT list the city of birth as Honolulu. In addition, the COLB is a computer generated document based on the information found on the original birth certificate. If the COLB says that he was born in Hawaii, the original "long form" birth certificate MUST also state that he was born in Hawaii. The Hawaiian Health department has confirmed all of these facts in addition to confimring that Obama's original birth certificate is on file. Some of the birthers will also try to claim that even if he was born in Hawaii, his parents were British/ Kenyan citizens and therefore he can't be a natural born citizen. This is false. Under the 14th ammendment of the constitution and Title 8 U.S.C. section 1401, any person born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen at birth. The birthers have no credible responses to any of these facts.

Dennis

RE: Amending the Constitution for eligibility

I fully support your idea. That would be a straightforward, honest way to make him eligible and everyone would have to respect it.

What we have now is similar to the old Soviet judiciary system. The judges are hell-bent to protect the secret, applying the very flexible Standing Doctrine. So far none of the lawsuits were heard on merit. Consequently, due to the politically correct judges, the Constitution is unenforceable.

So let’s do the Constitutional Amendment – congratulation for the idea initiated by the Editor’s Board. Of course the states would have to ratify it.

James

Much easier (and more to the point) is to simply have Obama produce a long form birth certificate.

Until he does, he's inviting skepticism at the very least, and a constitutional crisis is not out of the question.

Steve Rogers

The birthers tend to make a really big deal out of the difference between the "long form" birth certificate and the "short form" certificate of live birth. Obama has released his "short form" COLB, which list his place of birth as Honolulu, HI, for all to see. The state of Hawaii no longer gives out the original "long form" birth certificates. Birthers will claim that at the time that Obama was born, people born overseas could still get a COLB from the State of Hawaii. This is true, HOWEVER a COLB obtained by a foreigner would NOT list the city of birth as Honolulu. In addition, the COLB is a computer generated document based on the information found on the original birth certificate. If the COLB says that he was born in Hawaii, the original "long form" birth certificate MUST also state that he was born in Hawaii. The Hawaiian Health department has confirmed all of these facts in addition to confimring that Obama's original birth certificate is on file. Some of the birthers will also try to claim that even if he was born in Hawaii, his parents were British/ Kenyan citizens and therefore he can't be a natural born citizen. This is false. Under the 14th ammendment of the constitution and Title 8 U.S.C. section 1401, any person born on U.S. soil is automatically a U.S. citizen at birth. The birthers have no credible responses to any of these facts.

Rev M. Bresciani

Why is it called an 'issue' it is a legal matter connected to the law of the land, specifically the constitution. Let any one of us go out and purposely defy the constitution, publicly and then spend a fortune to cover our tracks and just how long would it take for us to be arrested much less run for president!

Stpo all the dribble and let the man produce the certificate.

 
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