Sarkozy: Burqas not welcome in France
Earlier today, in a wing of the opulent Palace of Versailles -- a symbol of France's once-grand monarchy -- President Nicolas Sarkozy addressed Parliament for the first time in (yes) almost 150 years with a message just as old: France will keep its values, and those who come here must adhere to them.
Much to the chagrin of many French political parties (the Green and Socialist parties did not show up) and an already divided French population on this issue, Sarkozy once again condemned the wearing of burqas by Muslim women in France. According to BBC News, the president declared the following:
For at least the past five years, wearing the traditional Muslim headscarf, or hijab, has been under attack in France. In 2004, former President Jacques Chirac signed off on a ban on wearing all religious dress (including headscarves) at public schools. What lies at the heart of the French skittishness toward exotic religious garb isn't pure xenophobia, but rather the country's tradition of assimilation. Far more than most Western cultures, the French are known for insisting that all people, especially immigrants, subordinate their religious and cultural beliefs to a common French identity.
This approach differs quite drastically from both the United States and the United Kingdom, whose leaders speak eloquently in favor of freedom of religious expression -- even if that expression is extreme by Western standards. President Obama pointed out in his speech in Cairo earlier this month, "The U.S. government has gone to court to protect the right of women and girls to wear the hijab, and to punish those who would deny it." Likewise, Great Britain has supported its subjects' right to wear the hijab in public.
Sarkozy's motivation -- assuming a reasonable absence of political calculation -- is admirable: No woman should be forced to be hidden behind a veil. Still, many women choose to wear burqas as a show of respect for their religion, not out of subservience. Strangely, Sarkozy has put himself in the paradoxical position of appealing to modern Western ideals of universal human dignity to make the case for antiquated French values. The result is precisely the opposite of Sarkozy's rhetoric: By singling out burqas as an abomination to French culture, the president has reinforced the discrimination faced by many immigrants by contributing to their marginalization. These residents, after all, are simply trying to adhere to the beliefs they held long before becoming subjects of the French assimilation machinery.
--Catherine Lyons
Photo: Two women, one wearing the niqab, a veil worn by the most conservative
Muslims that exposes only a woman's eyes, right, walk side by side, in
the Belsunce district of downtown Marseille, France. Credit: Claude Paris / AP








Sarkozy for president! Leader of the western world.
Posted by: Caribou | June 22, 2009 at 05:12 PM
Good for President Sarkozy! This is a great stand against something such as this.
Burqas are fit for a culture that lives in the dark ages, and wants to keep their women right there. Groups that do not respect a human being in life or in death. They have no respect for any peoples, especially not the women.
It is truly sad that in the USA we have a man who 51% of the people put in the office, and he sits behind a desk signing insignficant bills such cigarette advertising and/or his agenda on health care.
We need to take a lession from the French president on this.
Make a stand where it counts. Have some courage about you.
Thank you President Sarkozy --
Posted by: TJ | June 22, 2009 at 05:16 PM
Good.
Posted by: JoJo | June 22, 2009 at 05:17 PM
Sarkkozy for President of the western world!
Posted by: dew | June 22, 2009 at 05:18 PM
I am a Muslim. It is subjugation of women by fanatics to force them or coerce them to cover their "Oura"which means shameful bodies. Covering their shameful bodies! this is not Islam, Turkey, and India, and Southeast Asia, and African women never went to the extremes we see today before the rise of Wahabism,
All these new Wahaby cultural eddicts have been traditionally fought by Muslims and Islams over the last century. They are not mailn line Islam, by any stretch. They were forced on Muslims by the confluence of petro dollars and nazi educated Muslim brotherhood.
Please do not associate these weirdos with main line Muslims. Please educate yourselves as to the origin of these "Shame Covers", they are more petro dollar than Muslim/
Posted by: AZ | June 22, 2009 at 05:25 PM
I am glad President Sarkozy stated clearly that when in France do as the French do.
The following statement (from above) is pure nonsense -
"These residents, after all, are simply trying to adhere to the beliefs they held long before becoming subjects of the French assimilation machinery."
They are now in Rome and they should do as the Romans do ... they should abandon the beliefs they had before if they wish to be treated as full French citizens with deference to the separation of mosque and state.
Democracies are free but this does not mean that they
should allow themselves to self-destruct.
Posted by: Eric | June 22, 2009 at 05:27 PM
Adherence to values that have locked Islamic countries in a bygone millennium is every bit as toxic to a society as heroin addiction. Bravo Mr. Sarkozy!
Posted by: Lycosid | June 22, 2009 at 05:27 PM
TJ, last time I checked, 51% constituted a majority. Would you rather have minority rule? What does Obama have to do with Sarkozy's remarks anyway?
I agree that no woman (or human) with real freedom of choice would choose to live in a burqa. When I say freedom, I mean freedom from religious indoctrination, freedom from poverty etc.
Posted by: Hilary Smith | June 22, 2009 at 05:29 PM
"Burqas are fit for a culture that lives in the dark ages, and wants to keep their women right there."
How do you define dark ages ? I see no point in banning Judenhut or forcing every women to wear bikini or burqa.
Neda Agha Soltan died wearing a scarf, was she less of a woman ?
Posted by: aftab | June 22, 2009 at 05:32 PM
Thank you President Sarkozy. Islamic fundamentalism is a menace to ALL societies. It is such humiliation for me as a Muslim man to see such display of feudalism all in the name of religion. Burqas are so demeaning to human dignity. More over its primary role is to subjugate women in the most complete and inhumane way. It is a practice from the dark age of inhumanity to fellow humans. Burqas basically communicate to the rest of the world, that any woman wearing such despicable attire has been completely subjugated and enslaved by a male-dominant culture. So thank you Mr. President. I hope the rest of Europe and the United States would outlaw such primitive of female subjugation. Fundamentalist Muslim men are so weak, so brain washed and so fearful of allowing women any type of freedom, they would go to any length to enforce such barbarity. There's no place for barbarism and slavery in the Western world. Those that insist in such form of slavery should go back where they came from.
Posted by: Mohammed El Haroon | June 22, 2009 at 05:33 PM
Excellent position for a president to take! I also think religious institutions should pay their fair share of property taxes.
Posted by: Marie | June 22, 2009 at 05:35 PM
I support the French presidents remarks about the Burqas. It is time to grow up. The world of Islam is in the past, we need to open our eyes to Science and reason. The burqas are not within reason. The world of Islam needs to look to the french and see how modern they are and how the use reason when it comes to religion.
Posted by: Dunning | June 22, 2009 at 05:36 PM
jeez, seems kinda racist huh? someone posted "Burqas are fit for a culture that lives in the dark ages"...really? are you saying that Turkey and Iran live in the dark ages? do we really respect our women any better? remove the log from your own eye...etc.
peace.
Posted by: sloppypig | June 22, 2009 at 05:37 PM
Kudos to President Sarkozy for taking such an enlightened stance. How dare the Muslim immigrants move to Western countries that respect women, and then try to foist their barbaric misogyny onto them, in the name of "religious freedom"! I'd vote for Sarkozy as my president any day.
Posted by: Julia L. | June 22, 2009 at 05:37 PM
Bravo la France! Notice that Sarkozy was met with thunderous applause from both sides of the political ranks? France is 10% Muslim, of whom almost all are nice normal people and fit in just fine in France. But some, including the burqa-wearers and their menfolk, want to impose this separation of sexes on their new country. France has had to deal with demands for segregated everything-- from swimming pools to doctors' offices. When a French committee investigated the wearing of the veil in French public schools, young Muslim girls begged them to keep the veil out of the schools-- otherwise their parents and older brothers would force them to wear it there. "It's our only space of freedom," they told the committee.
Finally someone steps up to defend Western culture! It's about time!
It's not a question of religion, it's not a question of freedom-- except for freedom for all the other women who are hurt by this intolerable insult to all women.
Have you ever walked around a French neighborhood where the burqa is common? It's a horrific experience for any woman. A woman without a veil is treated like a prostitute. This alone is enough reason to make the veil unwelcome. There are now wide swaths of large-city suburbs (the ghettos of France) where a woman is harassed if she does not wear a veil.
The Koran says only that men and women should dress modestly. The burqa is not a religious requirement but cultural aggression. I'm so proud of France for insisting that people behave decently-- by FRENCH standards.
Posted by: Wu Ming | June 22, 2009 at 05:40 PM
TJ, that was truly an idiotic remark. Its one thing to praise Sarkozky, but to call Obama's actions 'insignificant' is the epitome of ignorance. Millions in the U.S are uninsured, thousands die on a daily basis due to tobacco related diseases - doing what Obama is doing is not only a cost saving approach, it is also a moral and ethical mandate.
Although I personally agree with aspects pf Sarkozky's approach, I can just as well argue that Sarkozky's approach to forced assimilation (also termed as a degree of ethnocide) is denying people the freedom of choice. Do you know of other examples of forced assimilation? What China does to Tibet is one example, what Japan did to the Ainu is another, what Israel did to Palestine is yet another - is this what you want in the western world?
Posted by: denmak | June 22, 2009 at 05:42 PM
Any religion still claiming credibility for such concepts as 'prophets' is not to be taken seriously. Add to that foolish garb and rules demanding all others submit to that religion, and their foolishness should rightfully be fought by all rational people, before there are no rational people left to fight the mullahs and their subservient hordes of sheep.
Posted by: zheng ye | June 22, 2009 at 05:43 PM
Ah yes -- it's time to start bashing Israel again, even though it has NOTHING to do with the subject of this article. "What Israel did to Palestine" is to defend itself from a daily onslaughter of terror bombings. I would hardly call this "forced assimilation"! And back to the subject at hand --
Vive Sarkozy! A modern leader for a modern world!
Posted by: Fiona McC. | June 22, 2009 at 05:50 PM
Are you people serious? You are applauding a guy who is telling people what and what not to wear instead of leading his country the way a president should? So it's not ok to over dress, but it's ok to walk around on nude beaches without any clothes on? Is that the french character? As president of France, I would certainly hope that he's got more importnat things on his agenda than stupid statement like this. Besides, I recommend people take a look at article 1 of the french constituion which reads:
France shall be an indivisible, secular, democratic and social Republic. It shall ensure the equality of all citizens before the law, without distinction of origin, race or religion. It shall respect all beliefs. It shall be organised on a decentralised basis.
Statutes shall promote equal access by women and men to elective offices and posts as well as to professional and social positions.
Get serious people, we have more of the world living under the poverty line every day and this is the best Sarkozy could do? He must be desparate for headlines!
Posted by: Alam | June 22, 2009 at 06:02 PM
Next thing Mr. Sarkozy is going to say is "Mosques are not good for Muslims, they should stop going to Mosques! " ... Why cant he just mind his own business and let women practice their own faith?.. And hello what about Nuns?? Arent they oppressed ??
Posted by: NonHypocrite | June 22, 2009 at 06:48 PM
Funny! Now the President is going to decide what you should wear!! I think Sarkozy's comments are an oppression against women. Did he every bother to ask the women if they are willingly wearing burqas or forced upon ??
Posted by: Adil | June 22, 2009 at 07:01 PM
What China does to Tibet is one example, what Japan did to the Ainu is another, what Israel did to Palestine is yet another - is this what you want in the western world?
Denmak, you have it precisely wrong. It is those of non-Gallic descent that are streaming into France, it is the who play the role of the Chinese in Tibet. It is they who seek to impose themselves where they are really neither needed nor wanted. Indeed, the actual French folk have a term for themselves now, Francais de Souche -- the French of root and branch to distinguish themselves from the mass of recent arrivals. They are the people under demographic pressure from mass immigration -- ironically from the descendent of the very people who sought to rid themselves of French rule and French colonists.
Posted by: Mitchell Young | June 22, 2009 at 07:27 PM
Finally someone with the bxxls to say what the whole world has been thinking! Full support from India
Posted by: Manu | June 22, 2009 at 08:48 PM
I wonder how does this "Burqa" have a bad affect on anyone and esp Sarkozy....In Islam Burqa is jus an option never a mandate! which means FREEDOM to cover urself !
Looks like he just cant take gals in burqas all covered and not showing their "stuffs".
I wudn be surprised in order to boost the women's image in France he will make bikini compulsory to the office which is of full freedom and modesty...
Sarkozy make ur point clear ... is it just Burqa makes u frustrated or something else ???
Posted by: Ash | June 22, 2009 at 09:17 PM
Perhaps Muslim wants to keep their dignity so that it dont get to an extend that thier nude pics are not auctioned in websites for a price..like Sarkozy's wife's nude pics are auctioned off ...
and he speaks about women's modesty and dignity...gimme break!
Posted by: Ash | June 22, 2009 at 09:27 PM
I, personally, am a moderate on this issue. Firstly, people should understand the difference between hijabs, niqabs and burqas. A niqab covers the face, except the eyes. This style was created during the Ummayad rule to discourage men from kidnapping potentially attractive women. Yes, I know that this is ridiculous. The burqa is the style that covers the entire body, including the eyes. The taliban enforced this style in their realm, and women were flogged if they did not adhere to it outside their homes. Both of these are oppressive to women and ought to be banned in public.
The hijab, however, should not be banned. This style covers the hair and neck, and it was used by Middle Easterners and South Asians of the Muslim, Jewish, Christian and even Hindu faiths for one reason only: to keep the sand out of a woman's hair. This style ought not to be restricted in any way, for individuals are able to be identified in public easily. The woman's indentity and individuality are not suppressed if she willingly wears it out of respect for a tradition. We, as westerners, should reject nativism and learn to embrace all human freedom, including the freedom to choose whether or not to cover one's hair. (hijab)
Posted by: chitra bhatt | June 22, 2009 at 09:51 PM
I live in L.A. and I work in downtown. Today I was walking down the street and saw a woman wearing an hijab. I told her to take it off, asking her if she knew she was participating in feudalistic dark age nonsense while the world turned a new leaf. She responded by pulling it tighter and began to walk the other direction. I told her, "I read that by wearing that, your religion seeks to demean you and keep males in power." She first told me that demanding the removal of her traditional garb was a very power-hungry thing to do. She next asked me if I one day saw a woman wearing a miniskirt, high-heels, excessive make-up would I tell her the same thing. That sparked my thinking. Then she finished by saying, "Come back and talk to me when that same woman can be a Catholic priest."
She knew what demeaned women and what doesn't. If women are being stoned in France for not wearing them, than this message from Sarkozy would be harmless at best. But, the fact is that in November of 2005 Muslims spoke out against the "tolerant" French and decided that they did not like how they were being treated.
Overall, I think that Sarkozy could have mentioned a various amount of other issues besides this, and would have had much more relevance in his "tolerant" France.
Posted by: Will | June 22, 2009 at 11:26 PM
aftab, please read the article carefully. The president's criticism was not toward all religious covering, only that which obliterates the face, and rightly so. There is no explanation for the obliteration of women's features other than misogyny. For all we know Neda of blessed memory died because a hair peeked out from her scarf. Your indignation is misdirected.
Posted by: julie | June 22, 2009 at 11:35 PM
"Antiquated French values" apparently refers to Sarkozy's wise refusal to knuckle under to the demands of the fashionable multiculturalism Susan Lyons subscribes to. We are tired of being talked down to by smug, facile commisars of virtue who ordain that, in order to win their approbation, we shall sing Kumbaya with people whose values are antithetical to humanist values which have taken Western civilization centuries to develop. Burkas represent an obscene, in-your-face rejection of our values in our own lands. If Muslim women insist on wearing them to flaunt their piety, then let them do so in their own lands, not ours.
Posted by: J. M. Rice | June 23, 2009 at 12:00 AM
I LOVE SARKOZY! And GEERT WILDERS! I wish he was POTUS, not bland Obama. Islam is bad for western society.
Posted by: jinny dongdong | June 23, 2009 at 12:24 AM
The women should have a choice. If outdoors in daytime, maybe they don't want to be sunburned.
On the other hand, the male Muslims would force them to wear it.
Maybe there could be a check system to determine if they are being forced or if they want to.
I think a great idea is stop Muslim immigration.
I'm a nudist so I've always been a little scared of religions that demand clothes, but I still believe in freedom of choice.
Posted by: Tabitha | June 23, 2009 at 12:48 AM
The countries where these traditions come from, they hang or stone to death women who are victims of sexual assault, they also maim children for petty crimes. When you see a woman with burqua hanging from a crane because she was raped, you never want to see them dressed in this fashion again. The burqua is not from the Koran, it’s from those who twist its message, who give women no value, want them uneducated and want to treat them like dogs. I believe the Koran gives women the right to education, so why do so many Muslims do nothing when girls are barred from schools. I applaud the French President's fearless comments, it's about time we all acted to protect the dignity of women.
Posted by: Albert | June 23, 2009 at 01:31 AM
May be burqas still the way to give respect to their followers.
Posted by: Halifax dentist | June 23, 2009 at 02:24 AM
sloppypig: The veil is not allowed in Turkish schools, inform yourself before citing examples that demolish your arguments. Turkey is indeed a muslim country but their government forbids women to wear even a veil in public schools. Burqas are a not a sign of religious freedom but a mean to deny freedom for women in the name of religion. Maybe you would like women to be trained to be kept in boxes and let out when you need them and even if you say it is in the name of some God and they love to be in their boxes; you would be as wrong as those defending the burqas and have views that fit the dark ages
Posted by: Kodrik | June 23, 2009 at 02:53 AM
"Still, many women choose to wear burqas as a show of respect for their religion, not out of subservience."
IT IS A CHOICE!
Posted by: nadim | June 23, 2009 at 03:31 AM
"These residents, after all, are simply trying to adhere to the beliefs they held long before becoming subjects of the French assimilation machinery."
What an asinine statement - even women in France face the wrath of their community cleric if they don't adhere to the rules of covering themselves. When there is the possibility of great harm coming to a woman or her family if she doesn't obey, how on earth can you so inaccurately and tritely say they are simply trying to adhere to their beliefs?
When there is no threat of a punitive nature to either the woman or her family, and no stigma involved, then perhaps this statement might be accurate. As it is, it's insultingly offensive and flat out wrong.
Posted by: Dana | June 23, 2009 at 07:23 AM
Sarkozy is a modern leader for a modern world. He deserves nothing but praise for taking on the Islamofascist establishment.
Posted by: Glinda O | June 23, 2009 at 07:44 AM
As a white male Christian, I find the policy and majority of reactions here alarming. If you were told you couldn't have facial hair or wear a cross visible to others, would you comply? Burqas may be repressive in some cases, but there are women who desire to do so and have fought such bans. France isn't enforcing the Islamic extremism that bothers so many commenters here, who constantly seem unable to equate those few with "Christians" such as Fred Phelps and his "God hates f*gs" family. Every time the masses react with this kind of hate and fear, it's another victory for terrorists and extremists who are, after all, seeking to disrupt our lives.
Posted by: Iceman | June 23, 2009 at 07:50 AM
Well, i have seen here most of the people are opposed to the idea of Burqa since its necessary for a muslim women to display only her hands(till wrists) feet and face (optional). But its rather a mockery of the very right of freedom and right relegion which the westeners boast the most of if muslim women willingly refuses to remove her burqa will you tear her burqa off just because its against your ideals and you dont like it this shows the true nature and the real degradation of human rights Sarkozy is nothing but another Osama Bin Laden the difference is Osama is a muslim fanatic and Sarkozy is a French fanatic who thinks that its their right to judge people its JUST A SMACK ON THE FACE OF LIBERILISM.
Posted by: Adeel | June 23, 2009 at 08:17 AM
Sarkozy has a lot of nerve, saying that other people objectify women. If he bans the burqa in France, it won't mean freedom for Muslim women - they will not be able to leave the house.
Posted by: Denise | June 23, 2009 at 11:05 AM
For those of you who comment on Niqab like this, you are not Muslims yourself and no nothing about it so you wouldn't know why we wear the veil, First of all it is part of our Religion, the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) his wives covered their faces, but in those days it was a choice, now these days there is a lot of 'Fitnah' meaning evil, a lot of people who would be attracted to women and look at us in the wrong way, by us covering up and wearing the veil, you don't know how berutful or ugly we are, and how big or fat, or what our body figure or facial features are like, we are not opressed, we choose to cover to save our selves from eveil gazes of men, French president telling us to uncover, i think every women should cover and not expose all their body parts to the whole world, and thatsnthe reason why they get raped as well because they make the men lust for it by putting themselves on display!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Adilah Saddiq | June 23, 2009 at 11:54 AM
Many of the womens who wore Burqas are not immigrants. Some are white. And this habit is absolutly not a tradition in North-Africa. Muslim world is very diverse and Morocco and Algeria are so different from Afghanistan or Irak.
And nobody in France are from "gallic" descent.
Posted by: Lorenzo | June 24, 2009 at 06:24 AM
Immigrants don't wear burqas precisely cause it's not part of their traditions who are very different in North Africa than in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Immigrants daughters and converted womens wear it for identitarian reason. Major imams in France had condemned this practise as non-muslim and not part of the Qoran.
Posted by: Lorenzo | June 24, 2009 at 06:39 AM
here's an excellent article that outlines both sides of the debate. it's also very interesting that Mohammed Moussaoui, the President of France’s Representative Muslim Council, supported Sarkozy's call for a ban on the burqa. http://www.mindreign.com/en/mindshare/World-Politics-and-Current-Events/Sarkozy-3a-e2-80-9cMuslim-Burqas-are-Unwelcome-e2-80-9d/sl34045952bp295cpp5pn1.html
Posted by: rick travis | June 24, 2009 at 09:52 AM
Muslims wants everyone to accept and accommodate to their rules. Quite interesting...
Try to request an acceptance or accommodation of our costumes in a muslim country. It is well known the penalties suffered like imprisonment, flogging or other "dark ages" punishment, when women were not dressed "appropriately" as per their "dark ages" standards.
Congratulations Mr. Sarkozy ! Need to have guts to go against the "liberals" that agree with this walking prison. Why coming to western countries if you do not agree with the way of life?
Posted by: HT | August 25, 2009 at 12:12 PM
i think its hypocritical for the muslim people to say on one hand its because of our religion and the other its because men lust after women so they cover up. Its my opinion a bit extreme, a fine line to walk and parade your religious values by wearing a burka. Why not choose to dress moderately like so many christian faith ? Extremism is why they bombed innocent people in the states, and like this form of dress,only those who subscribe to such views would subscribe to this type of thought.
Posted by: jakayoh | February 03, 2010 at 07:38 PM