Readers to Sacramento: Burn, baby, burn
One of my duties here at The Times' Opinion Manufacturing Division is screening the online comments we receive from readers in response to our editorials and Op-Ed articles. Most of the time, the comments on any given story are all over the map and don't reveal a strong consensus on the part of our online readership.
Then there's Proposition 1A (and, for that matter, most of the other five measures on next Tuesday's state ballot).
Judging by reader comments, Proposition 1A, which the Times' editorial board supports, is in major trouble. And yes, I'm vaguely familiar with the science behind extrapolating broad public opinion from a small pool of people, but no, that won't stop me from using our reader comments to speculate on the ballot measure's fate.
Why is 1A doomed? Save for a one-off here or there, the comments to our editorials and Op-Ed articles on Proposition 1A are uniformly hostile to all things Sacramento. Sure, there is some variation in opinion, but it's far more a matter of how angry readers are as opposed to being for or against the measure. The most striking comments have come in response to warnings in our editorials about the consequences if voters reject the budget reform measures, forcing the state to go without the billions of dollars in revenue the temporary fee and tax increases would generate. California would run out of cash and face lawsuits from creditors, and the global recession would only deepen given the de facto spending freeze by the government overseeing the world's eighth-largest economy, The Times has contended.
The response? As the title of this post suggests, many readers themselves acknowledge their willingness -- if not desire -- to see what happens if the state hits bottom and runs out of cash. Below is a sample of the reaction we've received to our editorial Monday on the special election (with original grammar and spelling left intact).
"LarryP" writes:
This is the same tired argument used to bail out big banks with taxpayer debt. "Just give us more money to buy some time and everything will be okay," we're told. The unfortunate reality is that the State has made no meaningful attempt to identify and cut what the public knows to be loads of politically-sponsored waste infecting the system. Until that happens the best course of action is to shut down any attempts to plug the rotten dike. Giving more money & time to the same entrenched interests will do nothing but stave off the inevitable a while longer. It's time to make some hard choices.
"Jim" writes:
No, if voters don't vote these props in, cuts will have to take place. Tighten your (seat)belts prople it's going to be a rough ride!
Tim Bowman, a frequent contributor to our comment boards, writes:
Let the vehicle run out of gas, and then tell the drivers in Sacramento to get out and walk back the way we came. The rest of us might have to walk a bit, but we will at least go forward.
"Dan" writes:
There is no reason to pass ANY of these garbage props. The LA Times is as partisan now in advocating their passage as they have been for the last 5 years as their readership has TANKED. Send CA into BANKRUPTCY and let the courts reveiw all the bogus contracts and "manditory" spending of schools, prisons etc... It's the only way to rebuild a working budget.
As for bankruptcy, that isn't an option for California -- which makes the picture so grim for the state if the budget-reform measures fail next week. As The Times wrote in its endorsement of Proposition 1A:
Those populists who urge voters to let the state go bankrupt miss the very important point that, unlike Orange County or Chrysler, California is ineligible for bankruptcy protection. Instead of an orderly retooling, the state would face a slew of creditor lawsuits and consent decrees, none of them geared toward a fiscal fix.
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Let's be honest here. You (Government) want to increase the financial burden for taxpayers so that those who are in Cali. illegally can continue to be fed, housed and educated at the expense of the taxpayers .This is not only insanity but is simply wrong. There is nor can there be any justification for such fiscal irresponsibility. This is nothing less than stealing from taxpayers. There out to be a law and then inforcement barring all persons here illegally from receiving ANY services paid for with taxpayre's dollars.
Posted by: brucester | May 26, 2009 at 09:38 AM
Who cares if the State can file BK or not. The bottom line is for the last twelve months all we have heard is the need to raise taxes. We can balance the budget simply by cutting back all the way to the 2005-06 budget, which would be balanced with our current tax revenues. But they can't even do that. Instead they sign contracts for raises, and then thresten fire and police collapse. Well, my fire and police are paid by my city, and we will continue to pay for them. What we will no longer pay for is the incompetence and waste in Sacramento. Vote NO on all the Propositions 1A-F!!!
Posted by: Tim MD | May 13, 2009 at 10:28 AM
@BV -- No, states cannot file for bankruptcy. See this news story, or consider this post on Yahoo Answers from a California bankruptcy attorney:
Posted by: Jon Healey | May 13, 2009 at 09:02 AM
If this is what the state will face when the initiatives don't pass, the politicians better start making the tough choices about fixes they should have made years ago now. What's so hard to understand about this? They make in excess of $250,000/year with benefits, pensions, per diem, and they haven't done their jobs. If we collapse, they and their special interest supporters will be exposed as responsible for the collapse.
Posted by: Scott P | May 13, 2009 at 07:34 AM
You miss the very important point that even if 1A passes, it too is a fraud and it won't solve the problem of the deficit which is never correctly forecast by Sacramento.
So, we are headed for a train wreck whether 1A passes or not. The people of California approved outrageous and stupid propositions which are part of the Constitution and cannot easily be changed.
California's Legislators are paid three times the national average and they are parasites on the taxpayer. We might start by cutting their pay by 2/3, and we might see and exodus of career politicians who can't or won't cut the huge budget in a useful way. Doing a line item comparison with Texas is astonishing.
Posted by: Arthur LEMAY | May 13, 2009 at 01:50 AM
The blindly hostile comments you post are typical of ill-informed armchair "leaders" who are quick to assign blame but rarely offer analysis or possible solutions.
There's no denying that things have not been run well - but railing about "Sacramento" does *not* move us forward.
Posted by: Stephen | May 13, 2009 at 01:13 AM
Totally right! I will be fine with the state facing "Armageddon." It would be justice. Unfortunately, because of the total incompetence and irresponsibility of the governor and the legislature, the rest of us, who balance our budgets and live within our means, are going to have to hurt along with them. So be it. If it gets too bad to live here, we can just pack up and move to another state.
Posted by: Gary Thornton | May 12, 2009 at 09:50 PM
Paul, you are wrong. You need to do research and practice better journalism. You wrote, "As for bankruptcy, that isn't an option for California -- which makes the picture so grim for the state if the budget-reform measures fail next week. As The Times wrote in its endorsement of Proposition 1A:"
ALL “states” now sit as municipal corporations. For details search for “Comprehensive Annual Financial Report County of San Diego” or “State of California”
California was municipalized in 1879 while the United State was municipalized in 1872 (see Congressional Record)
Municipalities and instruments of municipalities may file for Chapter 9
Posted by: BV | May 12, 2009 at 08:05 PM