Torture unlimited
Dick Cheney is pressing for the release of memos that he claims will vindicate the usefulness of "enhanced interrogation tactics," including waterboarding. Even if he's right, his gambit is a reminder of a flaw in the argument that, say, waterboarding can be justified because it produced information that could avert another 9/11.
The problem, as lawyers say, is that the argument proves too much. It justifies not only waterboarding, sleep deprivation and pushing prisoners into a wall -- the sort of tactics Bush administration lawyers strained to exclude from the definition of torture -- but also even more horrific measures.
Let's assume that waterboarding Khalid Sheik Mohammed (who, like JFK and LBJ, is often referred to by his initials) produced information that allowed the U.S. government to avert a planned attack on Los Angeles. Why, given the thousands of lives at stake, should the CIA have stopped there if KSM hadn't capitulated? Why not pluck out one of his eyes or castrate him to prove that we meant business? In the moral calculus the Cheneyites are urging on us, abusing a couple of terrorists is an acceptable price to pay for vital intelligence. The logic of the argument doesn't distinguish between waterboarding and blinding or amputating a limb.
If Cheney and his apologists had the courage of their convictions, they would repudiate George W. Bush's repeated assertions that "we do not torture," because their efficacy argument trumps that position regardless of how "torture" is defined.



I think the King of Jordan put it well. People though out the Middle East are looking to see if the rule of law is real or not in America. Just like many of our closet friends, that stop working with us in intelligence issues, are wondering if America has turned a corner or not. McCain is a good example of someone saying they are against torture, but to not want anyone help accountable nor talk about it.
Amazing and real.
Posted by: john | April 27, 2009 at 08:31 PM
I feel like you're setting up false choices here to knock down straw men arguments.
No, we shouldn't resort to toture tactics from the inquisition days to acquire information. Only the most deranged right wingers will agree to something like that. But aggressive interrogation techniques that adhere to reasonable limits (like water boarding) is not necesarily torture. Physicians were apparently present during the KSM waterboarding to ensure the safety of the prisoner, and the guy was in a cushioned room to prevent injuries.
Take out the controversial figures of George Bush and Dick Cheney out of the picture, then debate rationally. Would you pour water down a face of a known terrorist who taunted about an upcoming attack to possibly save thousands of lives? And should such measures fail, then we'll logically descend to "plucking out their eyes" level of barbarism to extract info? Not necesarily. We can try something unorthodox within some discernable moral boundaries in the face of deadly terrorism.
Posted by: JL | April 27, 2009 at 03:52 PM