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MoveOn.org's thin skin

Antimoveon_shirt MoveOn.org's excessively discounted broadside against General David Petraeus in the New York Times two weeks ago won't rank as its most successful tactic. The full-page nastygram appears not only to have solidified Republican opposition in the Senate for proposals to curtail the Iraq war effort, but also to have shaken the group's rich Hollywood funding base.

So it's not too surprising that the liberal advocacy group would be a mite touchy from all the blowback online, even though it should be used to the abuse by now. So touchy, in fact, that it's been sending out cease-and-desist letters to CafePress, a website that lets people offer custom-designed t-shirts, coffee mugs and the like for sale. Last week it demanded that the site remove eight items, arguing that they violated MoveOn's merchandising trademarks.

Trademark law doesn't confer monopoly rights over all uses of a registered phrase or symbol, however, and it wasn't created simply to protect the trademark owner's interests. Instead, it's designed to protect consumers against being misled or confused about brands. The courts have repeatedly ruled in favor of parodies and critiques; that's why www.famousbrandnamesucks.com doesn't violate famousbrandname's trademark. And most, if not all, of the items targeted by MoveOn were clearly designed to razz it, not to trick buyers into thinking they were the group's products.

Beyond that, it's amazing that MoveOn would try to squelch political speech. That's another clear purpose of the targeted items. Take, for example, this message on a t-shirt designed by a lifelong Democrat from Southern California:

General Petraeus has done more for this country than MoveOn.org. MoveOn.org, the worst friend a Democrat could have! Move Away from Move On!

To its credit, CafePress refused to take down five bumper stickers, and it reinstated a t-shirt that it had taken down briefly in response to MoveOn's initial request. "While we understand that negative commentary is unsavory, our shopkeepers’ parodies of the MoveOn.org trademark are permissible here, especially when one considers the First Amendment implications raised by the social and political importance of your organization, the policies it advocates, and the countervailing messages conveyed by the parodies," wrote Daniel Pontes of CafePress to Carrie Olson, MoveOn's chief operating officer. Olson had been the one requesting the takedown.

CafePress and MoveOn declined to discuss the episode on the record. The anonymous designer of the t-shirt mentioned above withdrew her creation anyway, explaining in a note on her CafePress page that she didn't want to fight "a large group with the money to run ads in the NY Times demeaning a four star general." Not that her t-shirts were flying off the virtual CafePress shelves; she'd yet to record her first sale after a week and a half on the site.

Perhaps the most delicious irony here is that MoveOn hasn't exactly been scrupulous in its regard to other people's intellectual property. After all, it seems to have borrowed the Petraeus/Betray Us rhyme from a familiar radio host -- without crediting him, of course.

 

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calie

The actual reason reads as such:
Why? Because I'm one person. They're a large group with the money to run ads in the NY Times demeaning a four star general. Henceforth, the six-letter group that complained shall be referred to as "The group that shall not be named."

john

The store was put up as a lark. We were disgusted with the ad, tossed it up there, forgot about it. Opened up our mail and found the brouhaha had been going on for several days. And though Dem... i don't think she's voted that way for years. Ta!

dsinope

They didn't sell because the're really pretty lame.

If they were clever and funny, I would have bought one. Especially if it would annoy The GroupThat Shall Not Be Named.

Inkling

I'm glad to see that CafePress is no longer totally devoid of backbone. In late April of this year and without asking my permission, they yanked from their collection a t-shirt I was selling that featured the cover of my book, Untangling Tolkien. The cause was a cease and desist letter from Carole F. Barrett, a lawyer for the San Francisco law firm of Howard, Rice, Nemerovski, Canady, Falk & Rabin. They represent Saul Zaentz, perhaps the most hated man in the entertainment industry. He owns the movie and trinket rights to Tolken's works and likes to sue.

I still haven't figured out what sort of lawyer that Barrett is. It's difficult to imagine she could be so ignorant of the law that she fails to recognize that t-shirt is protected by at least three specific written provisions of trademark law, any one of which makes that t-shirt legal. More likely she's simply like her client, a money-obsessed jerk. At times, I ponder having a bit of fun, finding a good lawyer, and suing the socks off her. I wouldn't bother with Zaentz. He's 86 and not long for this world.

At any rate, I gave CafePress such a hard time about their cowardice--they even refused to send me that cease and desist letter--that it may have convinced them that they should quit automatically complying with letters from lawyers. Cease and desist letters are the lawyerly equivalent of drive by shootings, although unfortunately in our present legal climate, run by and for lawyers, they're legal no matter how many lies they contain.

Bravo CafePress. You're finally doing the right thing. Now why not put my Untangling Tolkien t-shirt back online? I've got other books and authors I'd like to promote. You've begun to demonstrate that you might, just might, be trusted to hold up your side of a business deal.

--Michael W. Perry, author of Untangling Tolkien

Mike

Moveon.org is exposed as typical left-wingers willing to use the force of government to suppress the free speech rights of those that dare to disagree. That kind of thinking resulted in the deaths of 150 million people at the hands of their own governments in the 20th century. Thin skinned totalitarians, as exemplified by the Moveon.org crowd, can be dangerous to your health.

zesterhazy

We saw them. They were on a blog. There were different designs. They were great. But it's not easy to sell things on cafe press without doing a lot of marketing, which after a week, they wouldn't have had a whole lot of time to do unless they were very experienced.

But no big. Hopefully this gets out. It'll get bigger airplay than had the shirt been printed.

Edward Padgett

We have posted four of the anti-MoveOn slogans on our blog as well as the letter from Carrie Olson (MoveOn) to Café Press, with the response from Café Press to MoveOn.

http://www.edpadgett.com/blog/blog.html

Ken Shultz

I dunno much about MoveOn, but it would seem that like a lot of fans of folk music, they don't have any sense of humor.

Are there a lot of folk music fans at MoveOn.org?

Jesse

Is the LA Times becoming the Washington Times?

bill

Ken, dude,
don't dis Burl Ives you stinking commie rat.

lieinveigleobfuscate

It was such an unsuccessful advertisement that the percentage of Americans who want us out of Iraq has increased 3-5%, depending on the poll, since the General testified. Yeah, that ad worked terribly, and got all the GOPsters chasing an obscure (to most Americans) advocacy group in the run-up to the most important election since . . . 2006.

Keep chasing our red herrings boys, and keep talking to your base. We're going to own this country 1/20/09!

Alexei

Whatever. MoveOn raised $2mln since that ad. Call it unsuccessful.
Bottom line is that a lot of people agree with them. The ad worked!

sarah

Personally, as a Dem, one of the first lessons I ever taught my kids was not to twist anyone's name around to make fun of them.

It's unfortunate that Move On forgot this basic school ground rule. But they are rich, entitled and all rules are off when you've got those two things on your side.

Leon Jones

Why is it OK for Republicans to run attack ads like this but the moment some non-republican group does, then it is somehow wrong. Republicans shamelessly did this to war veteran John Kerry during the 2004 presidential campaign, they currently do it by manipulating disfigured war veterans to garner support for their lie based war and they will do it again and again. Give it up Republicans, the people of the USA are no longer buying your cheap attempts to twist perceptions about your war and your further attempts to manipulate the impressionable minds of this nation who like to be told what to think. Your quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand mentality has been exposed and all your attacks against those who oppose you only further expose your personal greed and hypocrisy.

In retrospect, I'm surprised that the common ordinary US citizen would even care about the Moveon.org Petraues ad. We all knew that General Petraues was going to write his own speech, in his own words, saying exactly all the things that he knew the Bush administration wanted to hear in a form that sounded acceptable to all republican politicians. The very fact that these Bush sycophants in the republican party got some of the spineless democrats to side with them in their wasteful republican efforts to condemn the MoveOn.org add clearly shows that these democrats are no different then these dysfunctional republican politicians. They both only value the interests of the rich minority of the nation, the interests of large corporations and votes in swing states as opposed to standing for their oath to the US Constitution, truth, the facts & doing the moral right thing by the people of the USA. McCain and all Republican politicians should be ashamed of themselves for their self-serving conduct all throughout the Bush administration as it is clear that they are not of, for or by the people.

If these spineless rich republican chicken hawks want their war so much, they should start funding it themselves instead of strapping the wasteful war debt on the backs of middle and lower class children for the next several generations. If these spineless republican chicken hawks really think that their illegal unconstitutional war was and is justified, then they should send their young college republican sociopath offspring to go fight their war. They all claim to be for war but always claim to be too busy to join the military and fight in it. Its time that they put their money where their mouths are by enlisting in the military and going to Iraq to be part of the Bush / Cheney / PNAC occupation of Iraq for oil.

MoveOn.org should be commended for their willingness to present the facts and stand up for the truth. Apparently, the Republican Party has not changed for the better and still has the very same unstable mindset of their vicious pseudo-conservative, quasi-Taliban mouthpieces like Ann Coulter who speak at their fund raising efforts. The appealing part about being like these viscous mouthpieces who attack MoveOn.org is the fact that it allows them to think that they are superior to others and further promote hate and war mongering within the masses. The sad reality to being one of these sociopaths is the fact that they usually cannot find anything filthier then their own personal reflection. When they are confronted with that reality, they always resort to the same cheap tactic over and over which is to rally their chicken hawks, hate mongers & vicious mouth pieces to make up lies against those who expose their sins. Very predictable…

Karina

MoveOn enjoyed freedom of the press when it came to using one man's image and name.
But they couldn't take it when someone used their name on a mug or t-shirt to criticise them.

I don't think they should be commended for a damned thing, other than being a bunch of hypocrites who want the use of the First Amendment for their use but not others.

They're trampling on the rights of others by screaming trademark infringement, when in fact there wasn't any. What they've committed is trademark abuse.

zacy

Ann Coulter is not necessarily embraced by all conservatives. Hugh Hewitt, for one, despises her and refuses to be on any panels she's one. He's said this and has taken her to task for her comments on Edwards.

Moveon doesn't speak for all Democrats. And not all Democrats are liberals. If that's the point the shirts were making, then good. More power to diversity within the Democratic party.

Alan Goodin

MoveOn is RightOn with their New York Times ad. MoveOn voiced an opinion that a lot of people agree with, that is, the Honorable General read from his prepared script, did what he was told by his Idiot in Charge and now, like a good old soldier, ought to fade away. His statements changed nothing and neither will his plan of action in Iraq. If he really wanted to make a change he would have brought change to the table. He didn't. He betrayed us.

harkin

Moveon proves once again that liberals are for free speech as long as its correct speech.

I think the only thing relevant here is that the NY Times continues to slide into obscurity as they continue to beat the socialist drums. The Moveon.org ad just pushed them closer to the abyss.

Ahamiltonian

Move.On points out that Petraeus is a partisan Republican General prolonging an unwinnable war, causing the right wing wing media to embrace the White House's efforts to distract the public's attention from its failed Iraq policy by focusing on an advertisement. Extremist right wingers can try to sell all the T shirts they want mocking Move.On, since polls show the great majority of Americans have never heard of it.

James Marsden

The left sickens me, and I am a Democrat. And if this party thinks that I am going to merely hold my nose to vote for Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards, who want to destroy this country's security and economy, they have another thing coming. I am going to show my disgust for what the congressional Democrats have done - or haven't done - in 10 months of power. If I have to stay home on election day next year, I will. Better to have a lousy Republican than another lousy Democrat. At least we can vote the Republicans out. The Clintons and their ilk stay around like dead fish and stink everything up.

James Marsden

The other leon

Leon you moron.

robertintexas

Leon Jones is brain-dead zombie. He is by his own comments clearly a kool-aid drinker. Thats whats wrong with every single moveon.org ad, all lies, backed-up by regurgitative mindless zombies. Ken if brains were dynomite, you would be harmless.

jerry

hillary clinton, ceo of moveon.org, needs to shake things up in there. she should let Senator Kennedy run the org. he knows how to get rid of people. he will show her how to get the most for your money.

mark

move on needs to move along and go away into the pages of history

Keith Gatchalian


Where were all the war protestors and Moveon.Org when we bombed the hell out of Bosnia and Kosovo? We left hundreds of thousands homeless, and ended up destroying cardboard tanks.

Perhaps because Gore and Rockefeller made millions off rebuilding those areas, they got a pass from MoveOn.org.

I also have never seen a plan by MoveOn on how to deal with aggressor states who seek WMD's....Anyone have a site to look at?

Bryan

betrayed us did he? guess you don't read any of the positive news.

US military deaths in Iraq lowest in 14 months
fourth consecutive drop in the monthly death toll

Yep, he betrayed us. With him in charge it makes it harder and harder to justify the "bring them home" cr@p you cowards plater all over the place.

Have you not learned from previous wars/conflicts that we must establish stability before bailing out?

Carla

John Kerry...What a weasel!! That punk has such a questionable history regarding not only the military, but the women/wives he stalked for money. He is so shallow, so phony that not even Ted 'the swimmer" Kennedy believes him! John Kerry acted like a coward and is lucky he wasn't prosecuted. Then, like a weasel, he has the audacity to come home and use the unscrupulous anti-war diatribe to smear the real heroes in an effort to better his position in life. Remember, the women weren't cutting loose entirely with the money at that time, so he screwed the soldiers he was so deeply jealous of instead. And the comparison and irony of all of this and MoveOn.org is that if it wasn't for the military they so loathe, they would be left to loathe the militia in silence.

c-t-m

Patreus didn't betray anyone, anything or any ideal. The single biggest problem with Iraq is the Iraqis themselves and a tribal 16th Century mindset and a religion that is easily twisted by a hateful set of men who would rather their own sons die while killing their enemy's babies instead of teaching them how to write, build a school or reason.

The second biggest problem is that Congress and the White House thinks they are run a war by bending to political whims. Never, not from Day One, has the military been allowed to call the shots there, unlike Japan, Italy and Germany in 1945-1952 (which by all accounts was rather successful, though difficult).

Unfortunately, the lessons of Korea were learned by the military and not by politicans - you can't bomb half a bridge, yet that seems to be how they want to function. You don't inject the military, you unleash it.

Patreus' only fault is having a name that rhymes into a bad slogan. He is there to protect the soldiers, to accomplish a mission and bring them home alive, not fill body bags. To insinuate anything else is politically, factually and intellectually dishonest.

As for the lefties and their "earnest" attempt to shut up dissent, just remember that Leftist governments have killed more people in the last 200 years of world history than Rightist/Facist governments, almost 10:1... and it first starts with controlling the language. MoveOn.com's insistence on censoring dissent with their position is really just Liberal ideology utilizing Nazi methodology, all under the guise of doing it "for the people's own good".

What is pathetic is that the decent people on both sides of the aisle fear MoveOn.org's money when they should really fear their methodology.

Andy

So... it's come to this in America.
Listen to yourselves.
Some wealthy Leftist pulls a string, some wealthy "Rightist" pulls a string and all the little puppets dance and toss epithets at one another.

Is this the best Anerica can do today?

The puppet masters may be wealthy and influential but they are no smarter than you. Cut your strings and dance your own dance if you have the will. Want to borrow my scissors?

Joe Jackson

Petraeus' contradictory statements on the Quds force are emblematic of an administration propaganda line that has essentially fallen apart because it was so obviously out of line with reality. Nine months after the George W. Bush administration declared that it was going to go after Iranian agents in Iraq who were threatening U.S. troops, the U.S. military still has not produced any evidence that the Quds Force operatives in Iraq were engaged in assisting the militias fighting against U.S. troops.

How blind can you Repiglicans be? Moveon is NOT the problem here. It's idiots who still believe anything this administrations says. "The Homeland"? Since when do we call the land of the free and the home of the brave the freaking "Homeland". You've invested so much into the lies you can't admit you were wrong. Fascism here we come....

Mike Weaver

Perhaps Moveon.org should be renamed "Valdemort"

uly

MoveOn is 50% pacifists, and 50% socialists on the path to totalitarianism. They blindly quote each other with complete tunnel vision. Hopefully, their children will read Bastiat's 'The Law' someday and realize how unconsciously dangerous their parents are.


http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

Ben Gonzalez

I can't believe it, he actually linked to Media Matters as a source? After all this time I thought this whole idea of leftist web kooks driving the print and TV media was a conspiracy - but its really true! Go figure?

Greg

In reference to Leon Jones comments:

You practically wrote a small novel doing nothing but attacking Conservatives/Republicans and then state "very predictable.....". Your comments are no less "predictable" than what we hear from the left in this country. I can tell from your grammar that you're at least an educated person. However, cherry picking facts and name dropping (ex, ann coulter) doesn't magically give your arguments credibility. I could just as easily rattle off a list of far left thinking people who are full of verbal diarrhea. I assure you that you didn't elevate the debate with your four paragraph rant.

effinayright

The, uh, learned Alan Goodin needs to explain to us why, if his assertions are true, the Senate voted 75 to 25, and the House 341 - 79 with 12 not voting, to CONDEMN Moveon.org's ad.

What vantage point does the, uh, learned Alan Goodin have that a majority of congress does not?

The uh, learned Mr. Alan Goodin
needs to explain why, if his assertions are true, ALL the Democrat presidential candidates except Kucinich refused to commit to removing all troops from Iraq by jan 2013.

Please, Mr. Alan Goodin, enlighten us with your superior knowledge that flies in the face of public FACTS.

Lisa

Uh, Alan Goodin, no-one agreed with that ad about General Petraus...that's why there's such a big stink about it. And perhaps if you actually read the news or watched TV instead of repeating what your liberal pals told you like a parrot, you would know that the first thing the General said was that this was his own report, and it wasn't looked over or changed by anyone. Talk about a "good old soldier"! You are certainly one, aren't you, have to fall in lock-step with all the other liberals(!!) And you say the General "betrayed us" after he puts his life on the line for you?! Sounds more and more like Stalin communists out there every day.

Velvet Jones

Leon Jones says the Iraq war is illegal and unconstitutional. If so, the Dems who run things in the House and Senate ought to be defunding the war. Why aren't they, Leon? If the war is so unpopular why are Dems so gutless? Where's the political risk? Anyway, who died and made you Chief Justice to be offering unsupported categorical pronouncements about constitutionality?

Ron Reale

Hey Mr.Goodwin, your post of the 28th at 7:05 could not go unanswered. Your attempt to rewrite history is stunning. The Honorable General was confirmed unanimously by the Senate, (that means they all, dems and republicans, voted for him), to bring change to what was going, up to that point, badly. He changed tactics, we are now doing much better, by all honest accounts. He has done exactly what was asked of him, as a good soldier should. You and that ad betrayed an Honorable American Patriot, and you should be ashamed.
realetybytes.townhall.com

Richard

I always love people who can make absolute statements of fact about other people, whehter they know them to be absolutely true or not, and impinge upon their integrity, professionalism or morality.

As for the person who compared the current ads with those of the Swift Boat organization, apparently the fact that these people served with or during the same time as Sen. Kerry and perhaps had a first hand experience with hmi, doesn't count. I very much doubt if anyone at MoveOn has served or been anywhere near the General.

A Rosario

MoveOn is full of MorOns

Joker

What will we call it when Moveon finally gets pushed out of the body politic.

A bowel Moveonment.

(I apologize for that)

kevin

Trying to argue with a moveon.org sympathizer is like arguing with a born-again christian, an evironmentalist, or a conspiracy theorist... everything they hear has to first pass the test of their own ridiculous preconceived, rigid belief structure. It's a filter for inconvenient realities. Facts are not facts; they're YOUR facts, and YOUR facts are lies because they don't support MY opinion, which is right no matter what. This ignorance is what keeps leftists thankfully out of power.

I can't wait for them to figure out that Democrats only support them in campaign-time rhetoric. I can't wait until they finally understand that their extreme and frankly stupid convictions will not be supported by any legislator.

It's one thing to say that military advances' effect on the Maliki government hasn't produced political results. But to say Patraeus is a liar and a traitor is slanderous, and they should honestly be facing defamation of character charges. I would LOVE to hear one MoveOn.org member defend this slimy tactic constitutionally.

Al

What MoveOn is doing is exactly what all socialists seem to do: suppress free speech. These liberals can't handle dissent.
Other places where liberals like to suppress free speech.
Hate crimes - no, it's not liberals all of sudden being crime fighters, it's really about stopping people from talking about their issues.
"Fairness Doctrine" - notice how it's targeted at talk radio (which tilts conservative)
Hillary's good squads - The Clinton's were well known for using private eyes to intimidate people. They go far beyond opposition research.
Chavez (D-Venezuela) - shutting down the media and taking it over. He seems to make threats every week to shut something down and take it over by force.
And look what happens to scientists who come out against global warming? They are attacked and some are even defunded.
When the protesters march at, say, the Republican Convention or at World Trade meetings, do you think they are marching with new ideas? No, it's about suppressing other people's speech. They make a ruckus so as to suck up TV/media time.

All I ask is that people keep their eyes open and watch the liberals/Democrats because your ability to say/think what you want is being challenged every day by these people.

Leon Schmeon

Congratulations Leon! You've written quite a bit without saying much of anything. I think the only matter of substance I derived from your meandering rant is that you are clearly a lemming, blindly following wherever the left leads you.

General Petraeus testified that the United States Armed Forces are increasingly having a pacifying impact in Iraq. He was honest about the failures of the Iraqi people to initiate the political cement necessary to sustain the peace in the region. And moveon.org decides to target him? For what purpose?

Your own party funds this war and will continue to fund it. If Hillary, or for that matter even Obama wins in '08, you think the troops will come home? The extremist left's posturing about Bush's illegal war based on lies is nothing more than empty rhetoric.

The war is Constitutional and legal. The United States Congress authorized use of force against Iraq and continues to authorize it every time it votes for more funding. So Leon, please try to make at least some effort to support your assertions with verifiable fact and/or reasoning.

Thanks.

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would
take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further
aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction.
It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach
of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the
armed conflict." Harry Reid 10/2002

"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." John Kerry 12/2003

M algore

You da man, all you dkooks and libloons

ralph

"F" MOVE ON .org, they are the sleaziest leftwing bunch or losers I've ever seen. they are the comunist party.

Jim

....Is it DEMs or is it DIMs ?.... Only moveon.org knows for sure....

Gabriel Ramis

Every individual affiliated with MoveOn.org should spend a year in Communist China, North Korea, or Iran, and get a real taste of reality like I did. The U.S. Constitution gives MoveOn.org, and many anti-American organiztions the flexibility, and freedom to defecate, all over everything that's traditional, and held dear to our American values. Those countries that I metioned first will have every individual member of MoveOn.org shot, or beheaded. Here in the United States they are welcome to vent their ignorance, and lack of common sense.

Just Checking

Just checking, but wasn't the advertisement prepared and run before the General reported to congress. If so wouldn't MoveOn.org be judging the Gneral before hearing his report?, sort of "presumed guilty" in advance of any action.

InRussetShadows

It doesn't surprise me one bit that MoveOn is doing this. They can dish out political (and personal) attacks 24-7, but when it comes to taking it, they can't. It's an old ploy often used by the left, called "free speech for me, but not for thee". And one more thing, 3-5% is truly momentous. Really. I mean, that's just barely more than the typical margin of error, assuming that it's 4% or 5%! *sarcastic smile*

 
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