The actual reason reads as such:
Why? Because I'm one person. They're a large group with the money to run ads in the NY Times demeaning a four star general. Henceforth, the six-letter group that complained shall be referred to as "The group that shall not be named."

The store was put up as a lark. We were disgusted with the ad, tossed it up there, forgot about it. Opened up our mail and found the brouhaha had been going on for several days. And though Dem... i don't think she's voted that way for years. Ta!

They didn't sell because the're really pretty lame.

If they were clever and funny, I would have bought one. Especially if it would annoy The GroupThat Shall Not Be Named.

I'm glad to see that CafePress is no longer totally devoid of backbone. In late April of this year and without asking my permission, they yanked from their collection a t-shirt I was selling that featured the cover of my book, Untangling Tolkien. The cause was a cease and desist letter from Carole F. Barrett, a lawyer for the San Francisco law firm of Howard, Rice, Nemerovski, Canady, Falk & Rabin. They represent Saul Zaentz, perhaps the most hated man in the entertainment industry. He owns the movie and trinket rights to Tolken's works and likes to sue.

I still haven't figured out what sort of lawyer that Barrett is. It's difficult to imagine she could be so ignorant of the law that she fails to recognize that t-shirt is protected by at least three specific written provisions of trademark law, any one of which makes that t-shirt legal. More likely she's simply like her client, a money-obsessed jerk. At times, I ponder having a bit of fun, finding a good lawyer, and suing the socks off her. I wouldn't bother with Zaentz. He's 86 and not long for this world.

At any rate, I gave CafePress such a hard time about their cowardice--they even refused to send me that cease and desist letter--that it may have convinced them that they should quit automatically complying with letters from lawyers. Cease and desist letters are the lawyerly equivalent of drive by shootings, although unfortunately in our present legal climate, run by and for lawyers, they're legal no matter how many lies they contain.

Bravo CafePress. You're finally doing the right thing. Now why not put my Untangling Tolkien t-shirt back online? I've got other books and authors I'd like to promote. You've begun to demonstrate that you might, just might, be trusted to hold up your side of a business deal.

--Michael W. Perry, author of Untangling Tolkien

Moveon.org is exposed as typical left-wingers willing to use the force of government to suppress the free speech rights of those that dare to disagree. That kind of thinking resulted in the deaths of 150 million people at the hands of their own governments in the 20th century. Thin skinned totalitarians, as exemplified by the Moveon.org crowd, can be dangerous to your health.

We saw them. They were on a blog. There were different designs. They were great. But it's not easy to sell things on cafe press without doing a lot of marketing, which after a week, they wouldn't have had a whole lot of time to do unless they were very experienced.

But no big. Hopefully this gets out. It'll get bigger airplay than had the shirt been printed.

We have posted four of the anti-MoveOn slogans on our blog as well as the letter from Carrie Olson (MoveOn) to Café Press, with the response from Café Press to MoveOn.

http://www.edpadgett.com/blog/blog.html

I dunno much about MoveOn, but it would seem that like a lot of fans of folk music, they don't have any sense of humor.

Are there a lot of folk music fans at MoveOn.org?

Is the LA Times becoming the Washington Times?

Ken, dude,
don't dis Burl Ives you stinking commie rat.

It was such an unsuccessful advertisement that the percentage of Americans who want us out of Iraq has increased 3-5%, depending on the poll, since the General testified. Yeah, that ad worked terribly, and got all the GOPsters chasing an obscure (to most Americans) advocacy group in the run-up to the most important election since . . . 2006.

Keep chasing our red herrings boys, and keep talking to your base. We're going to own this country 1/20/09!

Whatever. MoveOn raised $2mln since that ad. Call it unsuccessful.
Bottom line is that a lot of people agree with them. The ad worked!

Personally, as a Dem, one of the first lessons I ever taught my kids was not to twist anyone's name around to make fun of them.

It's unfortunate that Move On forgot this basic school ground rule. But they are rich, entitled and all rules are off when you've got those two things on your side.

Why is it OK for Republicans to run attack ads like this but the moment some non-republican group does, then it is somehow wrong. Republicans shamelessly did this to war veteran John Kerry during the 2004 presidential campaign, they currently do it by manipulating disfigured war veterans to garner support for their lie based war and they will do it again and again. Give it up Republicans, the people of the USA are no longer buying your cheap attempts to twist perceptions about your war and your further attempts to manipulate the impressionable minds of this nation who like to be told what to think. Your quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand mentality has been exposed and all your attacks against those who oppose you only further expose your personal greed and hypocrisy.

In retrospect, I'm surprised that the common ordinary US citizen would even care about the Moveon.org Petraues ad. We all knew that General Petraues was going to write his own speech, in his own words, saying exactly all the things that he knew the Bush administration wanted to hear in a form that sounded acceptable to all republican politicians. The very fact that these Bush sycophants in the republican party got some of the spineless democrats to side with them in their wasteful republican efforts to condemn the MoveOn.org add clearly shows that these democrats are no different then these dysfunctional republican politicians. They both only value the interests of the rich minority of the nation, the interests of large corporations and votes in swing states as opposed to standing for their oath to the US Constitution, truth, the facts & doing the moral right thing by the people of the USA. McCain and all Republican politicians should be ashamed of themselves for their self-serving conduct all throughout the Bush administration as it is clear that they are not of, for or by the people.

If these spineless rich republican chicken hawks want their war so much, they should start funding it themselves instead of strapping the wasteful war debt on the backs of middle and lower class children for the next several generations. If these spineless republican chicken hawks really think that their illegal unconstitutional war was and is justified, then they should send their young college republican sociopath offspring to go fight their war. They all claim to be for war but always claim to be too busy to join the military and fight in it. Its time that they put their money where their mouths are by enlisting in the military and going to Iraq to be part of the Bush / Cheney / PNAC occupation of Iraq for oil.

MoveOn.org should be commended for their willingness to present the facts and stand up for the truth. Apparently, the Republican Party has not changed for the better and still has the very same unstable mindset of their vicious pseudo-conservative, quasi-Taliban mouthpieces like Ann Coulter who speak at their fund raising efforts. The appealing part about being like these viscous mouthpieces who attack MoveOn.org is the fact that it allows them to think that they are superior to others and further promote hate and war mongering within the masses. The sad reality to being one of these sociopaths is the fact that they usually cannot find anything filthier then their own personal reflection. When they are confronted with that reality, they always resort to the same cheap tactic over and over which is to rally their chicken hawks, hate mongers & vicious mouth pieces to make up lies against those who expose their sins. Very predictable…

MoveOn enjoyed freedom of the press when it came to using one man's image and name.
But they couldn't take it when someone used their name on a mug or t-shirt to criticise them.

I don't think they should be commended for a damned thing, other than being a bunch of hypocrites who want the use of the First Amendment for their use but not others.

They're trampling on the rights of others by screaming trademark infringement, when in fact there wasn't any. What they've committed is trademark abuse.

Ann Coulter is not necessarily embraced by all conservatives. Hugh Hewitt, for one, despises her and refuses to be on any panels she's one. He's said this and has taken her to task for her comments on Edwards.

Moveon doesn't speak for all Democrats. And not all Democrats are liberals. If that's the point the shirts were making, then good. More power to diversity within the Democratic party.

MoveOn is RightOn with their New York Times ad. MoveOn voiced an opinion that a lot of people agree with, that is, the Honorable General read from his prepared script, did what he was told by his Idiot in Charge and now, like a good old soldier, ought to fade away. His statements changed nothing and neither will his plan of action in Iraq. If he really wanted to make a change he would have brought change to the table. He didn't. He betrayed us.

Moveon proves once again that liberals are for free speech as long as its correct speech.

I think the only thing relevant here is that the NY Times continues to slide into obscurity as they continue to beat the socialist drums. The Moveon.org ad just pushed them closer to the abyss.

Move.On points out that Petraeus is a partisan Republican General prolonging an unwinnable war, causing the right wing wing media to embrace the White House's efforts to distract the public's attention from its failed Iraq policy by focusing on an advertisement. Extremist right wingers can try to sell all the T shirts they want mocking Move.On, since polls show the great majority of Americans have never heard of it.

The left sickens me, and I am a Democrat. And if this party thinks that I am going to merely hold my nose to vote for Hillary, or Obama, or Edwards, who want to destroy this country's security and economy, they have another thing coming. I am going to show my disgust for what the congressional Democrats have done - or haven't done - in 10 months of power. If I have to stay home on election day next year, I will. Better to have a lousy Republican than another lousy Democrat. At least we can vote the Republicans out. The Clintons and their ilk stay around like dead fish and stink everything up.

James Marsden

Leon you moron.

Leon Jones is brain-dead zombie. He is by his own comments clearly a kool-aid drinker. Thats whats wrong with every single moveon.org ad, all lies, backed-up by regurgitative mindless zombies. Ken if brains were dynomite, you would be harmless.

hillary clinton, ceo of moveon.org, needs to shake things up in there. she should let Senator Kennedy run the org. he knows how to get rid of people. he will show her how to get the most for your money.

move on needs to move along and go away into the pages of history

Where were all the war protestors and Moveon.Org when we bombed the hell out of Bosnia and Kosovo? We left hundreds of thousands homeless, and ended up destroying cardboard tanks.

Perhaps because Gore and Rockefeller made millions off rebuilding those areas, they got a pass from MoveOn.org.

I also have never seen a plan by MoveOn on how to deal with aggressor states who seek WMD's....Anyone have a site to look at?

betrayed us did he? guess you don't read any of the positive news.

US military deaths in Iraq lowest in 14 months
fourth consecutive drop in the monthly death toll

Yep, he betrayed us. With him in charge it makes it harder and harder to justify the "bring them home" cr@p you cowards plater all over the place.

Have you not learned from previous wars/conflicts that we must establish stability before bailing out?

John Kerry...What a weasel!! That punk has such a questionable history regarding not only the military, but the women/wives he stalked for money. He is so shallow, so phony that not even Ted 'the swimmer" Kennedy believes him! John Kerry acted like a coward and is lucky he wasn't prosecuted. Then, like a weasel, he has the audacity to come home and use the unscrupulous anti-war diatribe to smear the real heroes in an effort to better his position in life. Remember, the women weren't cutting loose entirely with the money at that time, so he screwed the soldiers he was so deeply jealous of instead. And the comparison and irony of all of this and MoveOn.org is that if it wasn't for the military they so loathe, they would be left to loathe the militia in silence.

Patreus didn't betray anyone, anything or any ideal. The single biggest problem with Iraq is the Iraqis themselves and a tribal 16th Century mindset and a religion that is easily twisted by a hateful set of men who would rather their own sons die while killing their enemy's babies instead of teaching them how to write, build a school or reason.

The second biggest problem is that Congress and the White House thinks they are run a war by bending to political whims. Never, not from Day One, has the military been allowed to call the shots there, unlike Japan, Italy and Germany in 1945-1952 (which by all accounts was rather successful, though difficult).

Unfortunately, the lessons of Korea were learned by the military and not by politicans - you can't bomb half a bridge, yet that seems to be how they want to function. You don't inject the military, you unleash it.

Patreus' only fault is having a name that rhymes into a bad slogan. He is there to protect the soldiers, to accomplish a mission and bring them home alive, not fill body bags. To insinuate anything else is politically, factually and intellectually dishonest.

As for the lefties and their "earnest" attempt to shut up dissent, just remember that Leftist governments have killed more people in the last 200 years of world history than Rightist/Facist governments, almost 10:1... and it first starts with controlling the language. MoveOn.com's insistence on censoring dissent with their position is really just Liberal ideology utilizing Nazi methodology, all under the guise of doing it "for the people's own good".

What is pathetic is that the decent people on both sides of the aisle fear MoveOn.org's money when they should really fear their methodology.

So... it's come to this in America.
Listen to yourselves.
Some wealthy Leftist pulls a string, some wealthy "Rightist" pulls a string and all the little puppets dance and toss epithets at one another.

Is this the best Anerica can do today?

The puppet masters may be wealthy and influential but they are no smarter than you. Cut your strings and dance your own dance if you have the will. Want to borrow my scissors?

Petraeus' contradictory statements on the Quds force are emblematic of an administration propaganda line that has essentially fallen apart because it was so obviously out of line with reality. Nine months after the George W. Bush administration declared that it was going to go after Iranian agents in Iraq who were threatening U.S. troops, the U.S. military still has not produced any evidence that the Quds Force operatives in Iraq were engaged in assisting the militias fighting against U.S. troops.

How blind can you Repiglicans be? Moveon is NOT the problem here. It's idiots who still believe anything this administrations says. "The Homeland"? Since when do we call the land of the free and the home of the brave the freaking "Homeland". You've invested so much into the lies you can't admit you were wrong. Fascism here we come....

Perhaps Moveon.org should be renamed "Valdemort"

MoveOn is 50% pacifists, and 50% socialists on the path to totalitarianism. They blindly quote each other with complete tunnel vision. Hopefully, their children will read Bastiat's 'The Law' someday and realize how unconsciously dangerous their parents are.

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html

I can't believe it, he actually linked to Media Matters as a source? After all this time I thought this whole idea of leftist web kooks driving the print and TV media was a conspiracy - but its really true! Go figure?

In reference to Leon Jones comments:

You practically wrote a small novel doing nothing but attacking Conservatives/Republicans and then state "very predictable.....". Your comments are no less "predictable" than what we hear from the left in this country. I can tell from your grammar that you're at least an educated person. However, cherry picking facts and name dropping (ex, ann coulter) doesn't magically give your arguments credibility. I could just as easily rattle off a list of far left thinking people who are full of verbal diarrhea. I assure you that you didn't elevate the debate with your four paragraph rant.

The, uh, learned Alan Goodin needs to explain to us why, if his assertions are true, the Senate voted 75 to 25, and the House 341 - 79 with 12 not voting, to CONDEMN Moveon.org's ad.

What vantage point does the, uh, learned Alan Goodin have that a majority of congress does not?

The uh, learned Mr. Alan Goodin
needs to explain why, if his assertions are true, ALL the Democrat presidential candidates except Kucinich refused to commit to removing all troops from Iraq by jan 2013.

Please, Mr. Alan Goodin, enlighten us with your superior knowledge that flies in the face of public FACTS.

Uh, Alan Goodin, no-one agreed with that ad about General Petraus...that's why there's such a big stink about it. And perhaps if you actually read the news or watched TV instead of repeating what your liberal pals told you like a parrot, you would know that the first thing the General said was that this was his own report, and it wasn't looked over or changed by anyone. Talk about a "good old soldier"! You are certainly one, aren't you, have to fall in lock-step with all the other liberals(!!) And you say the General "betrayed us" after he puts his life on the line for you?! Sounds more and more like Stalin communists out there every day.

Leon Jones says the Iraq war is illegal and unconstitutional. If so, the Dems who run things in the House and Senate ought to be defunding the war. Why aren't they, Leon? If the war is so unpopular why are Dems so gutless? Where's the political risk? Anyway, who died and made you Chief Justice to be offering unsupported categorical pronouncements about constitutionality?

Hey Mr.Goodwin, your post of the 28th at 7:05 could not go unanswered. Your attempt to rewrite history is stunning. The Honorable General was confirmed unanimously by the Senate, (that means they all, dems and republicans, voted for him), to bring change to what was going, up to that point, badly. He changed tactics, we are now doing much better, by all honest accounts. He has done exactly what was asked of him, as a good soldier should. You and that ad betrayed an Honorable American Patriot, and you should be ashamed.
realetybytes.townhall.com

I always love people who can make absolute statements of fact about other people, whehter they know them to be absolutely true or not, and impinge upon their integrity, professionalism or morality.

As for the person who compared the current ads with those of the Swift Boat organization, apparently the fact that these people served with or during the same time as Sen. Kerry and perhaps had a first hand experience with hmi, doesn't count. I very much doubt if anyone at MoveOn has served or been anywhere near the General.

MoveOn is full of MorOns

What will we call it when Moveon finally gets pushed out of the body politic.

A bowel Moveonment.

(I apologize for that)

Trying to argue with a moveon.org sympathizer is like arguing with a born-again christian, an evironmentalist, or a conspiracy theorist... everything they hear has to first pass the test of their own ridiculous preconceived, rigid belief structure. It's a filter for inconvenient realities. Facts are not facts; they're YOUR facts, and YOUR facts are lies because they don't support MY opinion, which is right no matter what. This ignorance is what keeps leftists thankfully out of power.

I can't wait for them to figure out that Democrats only support them in campaign-time rhetoric. I can't wait until they finally understand that their extreme and frankly stupid convictions will not be supported by any legislator.

It's one thing to say that military advances' effect on the Maliki government hasn't produced political results. But to say Patraeus is a liar and a traitor is slanderous, and they should honestly be facing defamation of character charges. I would LOVE to hear one MoveOn.org member defend this slimy tactic constitutionally.

What MoveOn is doing is exactly what all socialists seem to do: suppress free speech. These liberals can't handle dissent.
Other places where liberals like to suppress free speech.
Hate crimes - no, it's not liberals all of sudden being crime fighters, it's really about stopping people from talking about their issues.
"Fairness Doctrine" - notice how it's targeted at talk radio (which tilts conservative)
Hillary's good squads - The Clinton's were well known for using private eyes to intimidate people. They go far beyond opposition research.
Chavez (D-Venezuela) - shutting down the media and taking it over. He seems to make threats every week to shut something down and take it over by force.
And look what happens to scientists who come out against global warming? They are attacked and some are even defunded.
When the protesters march at, say, the Republican Convention or at World Trade meetings, do you think they are marching with new ideas? No, it's about suppressing other people's speech. They make a ruckus so as to suck up TV/media time.

All I ask is that people keep their eyes open and watch the liberals/Democrats because your ability to say/think what you want is being challenged every day by these people.

Congratulations Leon! You've written quite a bit without saying much of anything. I think the only matter of substance I derived from your meandering rant is that you are clearly a lemming, blindly following wherever the left leads you.

General Petraeus testified that the United States Armed Forces are increasingly having a pacifying impact in Iraq. He was honest about the failures of the Iraqi people to initiate the political cement necessary to sustain the peace in the region. And moveon.org decides to target him? For what purpose?

Your own party funds this war and will continue to fund it. If Hillary, or for that matter even Obama wins in '08, you think the troops will come home? The extremist left's posturing about Bush's illegal war based on lies is nothing more than empty rhetoric.

The war is Constitutional and legal. The United States Congress authorized use of force against Iraq and continues to authorize it every time it votes for more funding. So Leon, please try to make at least some effort to support your assertions with verifiable fact and/or reasoning.

Thanks.

"We stopped the fighting [in 1991] on an agreement that Iraq would
take steps to assure the world that it would not engage in further
aggression and that it would destroy its weapons of mass destruction.
It has refused to take those steps. That refusal constitutes a breach
of the armistice which renders it void and justifies resumption of the
armed conflict." Harry Reid 10/2002

"Those who doubted whether Iraq or the world would be better off without Saddam Hussein, and those who believe we are not safer with his capture don't have the judgment to be president or the credibility to be elected president." John Kerry 12/2003

You da man, all you dkooks and libloons

"F" MOVE ON .org, they are the sleaziest leftwing bunch or losers I've ever seen. they are the comunist party.

....Is it DEMs or is it DIMs ?.... Only moveon.org knows for sure....

Every individual affiliated with MoveOn.org should spend a year in Communist China, North Korea, or Iran, and get a real taste of reality like I did. The U.S. Constitution gives MoveOn.org, and many anti-American organiztions the flexibility, and freedom to defecate, all over everything that's traditional, and held dear to our American values. Those countries that I metioned first will have every individual member of MoveOn.org shot, or beheaded. Here in the United States they are welcome to vent their ignorance, and lack of common sense.

Just checking, but wasn't the advertisement prepared and run before the General reported to congress. If so wouldn't MoveOn.org be judging the Gneral before hearing his report?, sort of "presumed guilty" in advance of any action.

It doesn't surprise me one bit that MoveOn is doing this. They can dish out political (and personal) attacks 24-7, but when it comes to taking it, they can't. It's an old ploy often used by the left, called "free speech for me, but not for thee". And one more thing, 3-5% is truly momentous. Really. I mean, that's just barely more than the typical margin of error, assuming that it's 4% or 5%! *sarcastic smile*

"The courts have repeatedly ruled in favor of parodies and critiques; that's why www.famousbrandnamesucks.com doesn't violate famousbrandname's trademark."

That's misleading in two respects. First, it implies "the courts" adjudicate dot-com trademark disputes. For the most part they don't; whether the owner of fbn's trademark can force fbnsucks.com to be handed over is handled by mediation through one of several organizations such as WIPO. Look up the UDRP for more on that.

And second, while "fbnsucks.com" will probably be held by a court not to violate fbn's trademark, that does not much matter for UDRP proceedings. The domains guinness-really-sucks.com, wal-martsucks.com, cabelassucks.com, directlinesucks.com, and many others were all taken away. Whether you get to keep fbnsucks.com probably depends on what mood your WIPO mediator is in when fbn files the paperwork. For more, see: http://slashdot.org/yro/01/02/07/0631201.shtml

MoveOn is synonymous now with sellout. This putrid "blame America first" club is a laughingstock. Go figure.

I guess Leon should've read the statement under the "Post a comment".

"Perhaps Moveon.org should be renamed "Valdemort"

Posted by: Mike Weaver | September 30, 2007 at 10:35 PM "

Or renamed moveontonorthkorea.org

Thank you James Marsden for your fantatic closing line. It's the best yet : "The Clintons and their ilk stay around like dead fish and stink everything up." It's almost as good as: "Hillary stinks like a dead tuna, ask Vince Foster he knows."

I guess on one side you can dish out the smear but you not allow the dish give it back. Yep, that's freedom of speech in the eyes of the dot org I can not name out of fear. I am buying the shirts as Christmas Gifts to all the liberals in my family. Uh oh. I said Christmas. Sorry *CLU

From the moment our troops landed in Iraq, the Democrats have been undermining our war effort. The Democrats at home are more dangerous and loathesome than the terrorists who would like to nuke one of our cities. To those citizens who send us the likes of Kennedy, Schumer, Lantos, Boxer, Murtha, Durbin, Feingold, et. al. ad nauseum I say: You are the ones who live in the terrorist bulls-eye. You will rue the day that you cast your lot with those whose only mission in life was to destroy President Bush.

How dare you speak out against the Ministry of Information comrades. Do you have any idea how badly you will all be punished? I pray you and your families survive the Gulag, except I know you won't.

Response to Joe Jackson. Hmmm. went to your website and I saw pretty much Leftist conspiracy news. Another version of moveon.org. I saw things such as how the towers were brought down and the government covered it up - the same old Rosie O'Donnal tirades which is fine. It's your right to believe what you wish. Mr. Jackson states that "Repiglicans" are blind and follow this administration? And just what are the left when they follow Bill and Hillary and moveon.org? Loyal citizens of the regime?
Look what happened to Rudi Guiliani when he didn't agree with the far left of the Democratic party and moveon.org: he got booted from the party. HE was a Democrat! But he disagreed with them on a few issues so out he goes.
They are a Socialistic party and have heavy socialistic views and forbid if you disagree with them.

so, where was the outrage (and the Senate) when the Republican party took on Max Cleland in the 2004 election, digitally morphing the Army Vet into Osama Bin Laden in a well-spun TV ad, and questioning his patriotism? Sounds like hypocrisy to me.

It amuses me that the only real political party that we have is The Money Party. Both of our political march in lockstep.They refuse to talk about the war and prefer to talk about those who talk about the war. I hope the terrorists win. I hope that American cities begin disappearing in blinding flashes of light. Its what we deserve for our arrogance. Perhaps someone will overthrow our evil regime and establish democracy in our country.

MoveOnYouStinkyLunaticYouDisgustMe.org is going to help the Republicans take back Congress and to elect yet another in a long series of Republican Presidents.

Irresponsible juvenile delinquents do not win elections in a time of war.

The unaccomplished, unqualified Democrat Presidential nominee will be led around by the nose by these lunatics, and that's exactly why they will lose.

Thanks MoveOnYouStinkyLunaticYouDisgustMe.org! Please keep running your inane, infantile ads!

Perhaps Petraeus should sue the ACLU for defamation of character.

Joe Jackson, you are right about one thing "Fascism here we come...." and Hilliary is the reason why. If she becomes the President, we will see the next Great Depression hit this country. Between the increase in taxes and decline in the quality of health care, this country will start a long slide downhill. I only hope that our children and grandchildren's generation will someday be able to recover from it.

Right ON Leon! We need to turn Iraq back to the Bathist party and let them continue to exercise their freedom to do as they please to their people. How dare we say that feeding people into plastic bottle shredders is ANY of our business. Need to get rid of those pesky dissidents? Nerve gas! That limits their free speech hundreds of thousands at a time.

Right On Leon!

How dare we think that women in muslim countries should have ANY rights whatsoever. Yes indded. Back to the chains, Iraq! Thanks Leon. Support Totalitarianism throughout the world!! You idiot...

They should now be referred to as MoveOver.org!

Andy,

Agreed, but are your scissors Libertarian scissors?

The comments on here show why you don't want a democrat in the White House. Democrats think Soror/Moron.org is simply a left wing organization. Slither from under your rock and see the sunshine, Soros is a convicted criminal, wanted in France. Offer to take him on a free trip to France and watch him refuse. If they get their hands on him he has a reservation in the hotel with many bars. Soros is operating on stolen money and has vowed to destroy the 'democratic' form of government in the U.S. He is an avowed Socialist/Communist and the democrats, unlike someone with a brain, follow him to the slaughter, all for the almighty dollar and power for a few years, until his form of government makes them disappear, permanetly.

hey Carla re your post this past Sunday evening (9/30/07) ....don't know where you picked up the history review on Kerry but I embrace and savor seeing it in print ...he's earned every bit of critism that's come his way ...a great byte on Teddy also ...keep the faith ...from a fellow citizen out here in the mid Atlantic east coast...

Re Leon:

You stated "In retrospect, I'm surprised that the common ordinary US citizen would even care about the Moveon.org Petraues ad."

I would hazard to guess that most US citizens understand that the military is here to protect us against those who would destroy us if they could get away with it. Even you, Leon, as anti-military as you portray yourself. Most US citizens have clearly discerned the need for a military of citizen-soldiers. In spite of the veniality of our political "leaders" over the past 2+ centuries to misuse and abuse the military for questionable ends, most US citizens have a highly favorable opinion of the US military. Why? Because they are us. WE, the citizens of the US, are those that join the military. We do so for a simple reason. To protect our families, friends, and neighbors. Almost unanimously, most members of the military do NOT enjoy war. They do what they do because of the perceived need. In fact, the military greatly discourages those who glorify war and violence from joining. Most US citizens understand that you may condemn HOW the military is being used, but will not put up with condemning the military.

I'm sure you are finding my comments incredulous. I'm not surprised, as in my opinion, the concept of doing something for someone else is generally not a position to which most leftists ascribe. It's more like doing something TO someone else for your own egos which seems to direct leftists.

Also, not everything in life is political. The Bolsheviks believed that, and look where it most appropriately got them; the dungheap of history. Certainly, General Petraus is going to portray the efforts of the troops under his command in a positive manner; only a blithering idiot (or a leftist), would unduly criticise their efforts, particularly to please a coterie of shallow, self-centered, arrogant, useless parasitical leftists that befoul this country with the stench of their utterances. Not that they would be pleased with anything he said anyway. Talk about intellectual honesty, the left in this country are as devoid of that as they are of creative thought. Smarmy, self-absorbed twits who think parroting the properly dead phrases of Bolshevik ideology is somehow "sophisticated" and "erudite". What a sham.

I find it unfortunate that the great Democratic party of yesteryear has been taken hostage by the dark forces of Bolshevism. Luckily, most US citizens can clearly see through the blathering lies and distortions, which is why even those leftist adherents in the Congress has failed to do anything more than perpetually whine and snigger, like spoiled children. They know what would happen to them if they voted their ideological positions, and being timid, fearful, quivering politicians who enjoy the perks of "power" more than being "correct", they refuse to go against the people and harm our military for political purposes.

I am not a Republican; I am not a Democrat. I firmly belive, based on my study of history, that political parties are inherently anti-democratic, and hence, I have nothing to do with any of them. Both parties have Presidential candidates that I feel are crippled and incapable of properly leading this country; of making the right decisions; of being more than petty politicians. Oh, for a real American as a candidate.

Soros's Moron.org proves that the democrats have more than one Hsu.

Rush is right: the left, typified by the commies at moveon.org and their willing submissives in the Dem party and liberal drive-by media are unpatriotic and quick to shut down anyone who dares cross them or disagree with them. How about truth-in-advertising, rename the party as the Un-Democratic Party.

Leon,

No one cares about MoveOn running the ad, they certainly had the right to, just as the Swift Boat Captains did against Sen. Kerry, which by the way played out to be true against Kerry.

The difference is when the Dems came to the defense of Kerry you didn't see the Swift Boat Captains filing Cease and Desist letters. They didn't repress other's rights to speak against them.

So just as we are doing here, MoveOn.org either needs to put up or shut up when it comes to Freedom of Speech.

Move on has only our years of military interevtion to thank for thier prent freedom

We all know what a bunch of Bush-hating, George Soros-parrots the people of MoveOn.org are, so the nasty Petraeus ad didn't come as a complete shock.
The point that cannot be overlooked here is that by selling MoveOn the ad space at such a deep discount, while regularly denying any ad space to conservative organizations, the NY Times has proven to anyone with any common sense that it's nothing more than a biased liberal-left socialist rag, and that nothing printed on its pages as "news" can ever be taken seriously.
By the way, Alexei, how much of the $2M you claim MoveOn raised since their Petraeus ad can you prove DIDN'T come out of George Soros' pocket?

Perhaps it is now time for MoveOn.org/ to "Move On" to the Trash Can of discredited American political organizations like the: Copperhead Democrats, the KKK and the American Nazi Party.

Hypocrites!

I guess "Crushing Disent" is Patriotic.

Why does it comes as a surprise MoveOn.Org, a front for the drug dealer George Soros, wants Free Speech ended?This is a tenent of Liberalism. The L.A. Times, also Liberal, has no respect for Free Speech, either

Leon, You are a tool, and I use that term advisely since the Balls often uses tools for useful purposes. In fact, are you sure your last name isn't Trotsky? John Kerry has done more to harm his country than most. The truths told against him were merely that--truths. His "wounds" in Vietnam were self-inflicted, minor and clearly didn't deserve the purple hearts that were his ticket back home so he could begin his political campaign to set himself up to run for future national office. He's a loser and so are you. Get over it, find a job where the french fry grease doesn't aggravate your acne, get a sense of humor, pull your head out of your a$$, and learn to be a true, contributing American. Just a thought. HB

I am just glad my vote counts every bit as much as the vote of one of moveon's supporters. You can hate this country all you want and decide not to acknowledge that if it werent for the lifelong dedication of Petreus you would not have that right. You can invite the president of Iran to speak at your University without acknowledging the fact that the very curriculum on the campus he was speaking at would not exist in his country. You can believe that if only Mr Obama could reason with him and Chavez the world would be a safer place. What you cannot do is convince me that you are not collectively trying to weaken our country and that the enemy is hoping you succeed so that they can pounce. I realize that if that day ever comes to pass you will find someway to blame Bush for it even if it is 30 years down the road.

The difference here between what was said about Kerry and the Senator (by Rush Limbaugh) is the person who is the target of the ad or criticism. With regard to Kerry and the Senator made fun of by Limbaugh, these men are in the position they are in for personal gain, ie: becoming Senators or other elected officials, thereby inviting the criticism. These men put themselves out for display and essentially say, "I am good enough for you to let me tell you how to live." (Think passing laws, here). The other gentleman, General Petreaus (sp?) is a man who has spent his life in uniform, doing what he is ordered to do by the commander in chief, regardless of his affiliation, politically. He could go off and make money, or m arry into money, given his stature in life and society, but he instead chooses to go over to Iraq (unlike the political generals who retired instead), and he does his duty without question. He has not sought to put himself out there and say, look at me. He is doing the job asked of him by his commander in chief and his country. So, if you want to take a jab at the report, make fun of Bush, Cheney, or whomever you want, but to compare a politician with a man who has foregone life's luxuries to serve when asked, well, that is just offensive.

For those who refer to Kerry's service, remember this was not put at issue by anyone but him. He was the one to do what he did in the 60s and 70s and was the one who brought up his service when he was running for president. Nobody called up Lieutenant Kerry and said he was a coward or a traitor. They only did so of presidential candidate Kerry or Senator Kerry.

Have a great week.

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.

Hey, Voldemort is probably trademarked,right. And besides, no matter how bad Voldemort was, unlike MoveOn, he did have several warm fuzzies --oh, that charm as he whipped around that cave.

But you can buy the hilarious parody of MoveOn over here at the http://cafepress.com/polistew in a fundraiser for the National Military Family Association, Inc. It also speaks for the First Amendment.

Stalinists. Humorless, rigid, puritanical, authoritarian goose-steppers. May God preserve us from these proto-fascists.

"Why does it comes as a surprise MoveOn.Org, a front for the drug dealer George Soros, wants Free Speech ended?This is a tenent of Liberalism. The L.A. Times, also Liberal, has no respect for Free Speech, either"

George Soros is a drug dealer?! That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

I take it all back--some of these politicos really do have a sense of humor!

Hm, Looks like TGTSNBN isn't the only thin-skinned one around here. Is this what passes for reasoned discourse? And don't say that because so-and-so does it that it's ok for you. Ad hominem attacks from either side, made without thinking through what you're trying to say, cheapens and coarsens all discussion and debate.

How can anyone think that the Petraeus add makes a good point? The add is not clever, nor does it say anything. It is nothing more than a simple rhyme that ANYBODY could have come up with in no more than 10 seconds thought. However, liberals are geniuses. They've realized something that most of us republicans haven't; most of the U.S. population are mindless idiots that base their moral and political beliefs on rhymes and shiny things. Considering the ridiculousness of liberals, if republicans started to prey on the citizens in the same manner, we could take down whole effen democratic party!